I don't know, the West is also preoccupied with content moderation, restriction of movement of people, restriction of ideas, abolishment of the democracy and the laws so "right things can be done" and there are people calling for executions.
It's not even the oppressors VS the freedom fighters, the fight going on is over who is going to be the oppressor and what exactly should be restricted.
I'm also worried that the online spaces have no accountability and that has become the norm. People and content is removed from public spaces all the time by all powerful people and algorithms, what happens if the that thinking expands beyond online forums? The existence of the individual has been forgotten and people are virtually executed at whim and I'm not sure that with the proliferation of killer drones people are not simply going to push a button and clean up the real world annoyances without thinking about the moral implications of the action.
wrt interventionism and avoiding past mistakes: Keep in mind a big part of what has kept the north korean regime so stable is the memory of plentiful massacres that occurred during the war. Villages that were killed due to suspicion of collaboration and a south Korean dictatorship till 88 or so.
As others pointed out by others as well: Much of what ends up reported about NK ends up being fake. I have no doubt that NK is a brutal authoritarian regime but after all the fake stories i kind of tune out to news like this.
Everytime topics like this are mentionned, with the totalitarian regimes in North Korea, Iran or elsewhere, it's funny to see how free access to resources, VPNs, open internet, etc... is treated differently. Good when it comes to dictatorships, but evil when in the west.
I’m reluctant to use “luxury” to describe these rights, and even more reluctant to suggest the west shares them well.
The former sets up an argument that these rights are superfluous, and the latter fails to recognize areas where the west does poorly at upholding rights, especially the limitations on speech imposed by many western governments.
The luxury and call to arms fails to reach all ears considering out government routinely does the same thing to teenagers in the states, but because they are poor and black, it's largely considered acceptable in our culture.
- Every citizen must use the same haircut as Kim Jong-un
- NK government announced that they found a "unicorn"
- NK official was executed for bad posture
- Kim Jong-un's uncle was eaten alive by starving dogs
- Kim Jong-un labels DOG MEAT a 'superfood'
- North Korea tells parents to give kids patriotic name like 'bomb', 'gun' and 'satellite'
- North Korea bans sarcasm because Kim Jong-un fears people only agree with him ‘ironically’
It's not like North Korea is paradise. It's certainly not. It's another poor third world nation, not unlike many of the ones currently on the western side of things where the same sort of life happens. But, of course, you won't hear a word of (unless it's Cuba, Venezuela or Nicaragua, that is).
> It's another poor third world nation, not unlike many of the ones currently on the western side of things
But the "not unlike" comment strikes me as lacking evidence, given the confirmed differences between the DPRK and other poor nation. At least when comparing the content of their refugee testimonials.
Note, this is not a disagreement nor an agreement with your comment, only an observation of what appears to be a hollow spot in the reasoning.
"Over the past six years, the Special Rapporteur has examined and raised concerns about the coercive system of governance that deprives the fundamental freedoms of people in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. This includes arbitrary arrest and detention, torture and ill-treatment, restrictions on freedom of expression, religion and thought, access to information, freedom of movement and the practice of forced labour."
"Draconian measures have further strengthened the State’s control over the population, such as the policy of shooting individuals who attempt to enter or leave the country and the Law on the Elimination of Reactionary Thought and Culture, enacted in December 2020, containing grossly disproportionate punishments, including the death penalty for accessing information, particularly of foreign content."
This also show some double standards and bias in social networks. Twitter, Facebook, and several others always mark Chinese media as "news financed (or controlled) by the Chinese government", and the same is true for any media financed entirely or in part by governments not aligned with the west. But what about Radio Free Asia? It is a source of propaganda financed by US government. It is not a credible source, it always publish accusations with no proofs against countries seen as enemies. However, no social media ever put the label "this media is financed/controlled entirely or in part by the US government" in Radio Free Asia accounts.
for some reason, I do believe the part about patriotic names. In early USSR there used to be all kinds of weird names. E.g. Vladlen (a name after the glorious Vladimir Lenin)
Do you want named source in North Korea? The very fact that nobody can step forward to confirm or deny, or someone can go there to verify this information, show how evil NK is.
As for the list you cited as bad reports, maybe include links? But again, unless you know with certainty they are fake, how can you be so sure? As nobody collaborated for or against them.
> won’t hear a word of
Which Western friendly country would you like to highlight that we haven’t heard about? Which North Korea-like policies of those countries that you think nobody has talked about?
It’s ironic that you complain about fake news but hide behind a throwaway account, throwing around whataboutism with weasel words.
You will hear more than a word of any foreign entity when the US has started plans to invade them while their enemies will be called stunning and brave... eg Taliban, Kurds, vietnamese, Ukrainians....
A lot of these comments are really disgusting. Kudos to the few trying to call then out.
There have been many firsthand accounts of those that have escaped North Korea and shared what it’s like to live there. Concentration camps, starving, torture, chemical warfare experiments on prisoners, famine.
A firsthand account from a female that escaped from North Korea shared that the North Korea government will shutdown the power grid without notice and then raid homes looking for DVDs stuck in players (because no power to eject) and will kill those people responsible.
Those that escape North Korea across the river to China are caught and put into sex trafficking. China is complicit in supporting the horrible treatment of the North Korean people.
At some point we have to accept that this is the People of North Koreas fault. They are very aware that their country is massively worse off than the rest of the world, yet they don't murder their kings.
Go and read what's happening now in Iran. Random people are being killed in streets. Teenager girls are kidnapped and then when they're released many days later they're raped many many times. People have no media. The government uses military equipment against people.
It seems that many seem to love their king. Why shouldn't they? All information they have received for multiple generations says their king is the greatest.
kleiba|3 years ago
mrtksn|3 years ago
It's not even the oppressors VS the freedom fighters, the fight going on is over who is going to be the oppressor and what exactly should be restricted.
I'm also worried that the online spaces have no accountability and that has become the norm. People and content is removed from public spaces all the time by all powerful people and algorithms, what happens if the that thinking expands beyond online forums? The existence of the individual has been forgotten and people are virtually executed at whim and I'm not sure that with the proliferation of killer drones people are not simply going to push a button and clean up the real world annoyances without thinking about the moral implications of the action.
modo_mario|3 years ago
wrt interventionism and avoiding past mistakes: Keep in mind a big part of what has kept the north korean regime so stable is the memory of plentiful massacres that occurred during the war. Villages that were killed due to suspicion of collaboration and a south Korean dictatorship till 88 or so.
As others pointed out by others as well: Much of what ends up reported about NK ends up being fake. I have no doubt that NK is a brutal authoritarian regime but after all the fake stories i kind of tune out to news like this.
chasd00|3 years ago
“allowed”? Who exactly did we ask permission? The government should live in fear of the governed.
icare_1er|3 years ago
AuthorizedCust|3 years ago
The former sets up an argument that these rights are superfluous, and the latter fails to recognize areas where the west does poorly at upholding rights, especially the limitations on speech imposed by many western governments.
ricardoplouis|3 years ago
throwaway122122|3 years ago
Every time. And as usual, only unnamed sources.
Other great hits include:
- Every citizen must use the same haircut as Kim Jong-un
- NK government announced that they found a "unicorn"
- NK official was executed for bad posture
- Kim Jong-un's uncle was eaten alive by starving dogs
- Kim Jong-un labels DOG MEAT a 'superfood'
- North Korea tells parents to give kids patriotic name like 'bomb', 'gun' and 'satellite'
- North Korea bans sarcasm because Kim Jong-un fears people only agree with him ‘ironically’
It's not like North Korea is paradise. It's certainly not. It's another poor third world nation, not unlike many of the ones currently on the western side of things where the same sort of life happens. But, of course, you won't hear a word of (unless it's Cuba, Venezuela or Nicaragua, that is).
lajosbacs|3 years ago
j-bos|3 years ago
You make a great point: this is propoganda.
> It's another poor third world nation, not unlike many of the ones currently on the western side of things
But the "not unlike" comment strikes me as lacking evidence, given the confirmed differences between the DPRK and other poor nation. At least when comparing the content of their refugee testimonials.
Note, this is not a disagreement nor an agreement with your comment, only an observation of what appears to be a hollow spot in the reasoning.
NovemberWhiskey|3 years ago
https://reliefweb.int/attachments/838602f4-8043-3da8-85bd-12...
"Over the past six years, the Special Rapporteur has examined and raised concerns about the coercive system of governance that deprives the fundamental freedoms of people in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. This includes arbitrary arrest and detention, torture and ill-treatment, restrictions on freedom of expression, religion and thought, access to information, freedom of movement and the practice of forced labour."
"Draconian measures have further strengthened the State’s control over the population, such as the policy of shooting individuals who attempt to enter or leave the country and the Law on the Elimination of Reactionary Thought and Culture, enacted in December 2020, containing grossly disproportionate punishments, including the death penalty for accessing information, particularly of foreign content."
fyresala|3 years ago
OK...maybe Kim Jong-un himself? At least we can consider him as an authoritative source.
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pydry|3 years ago
Followed by all the most trusted mainstream media outlets repeating the rumor uncritically.
Followed by a rash of "O M G she's still alive????" when, shockingly, appears in the public eye, unmurdered:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/kim-jongun-s-e...
No shit she's still alive, geniuses. You all trusted a single source known for making up fantastical bullshit on a fantastical story.
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signatoremo|3 years ago
As for the list you cited as bad reports, maybe include links? But again, unless you know with certainty they are fake, how can you be so sure? As nobody collaborated for or against them.
> won’t hear a word of
Which Western friendly country would you like to highlight that we haven’t heard about? Which North Korea-like policies of those countries that you think nobody has talked about?
It’s ironic that you complain about fake news but hide behind a throwaway account, throwing around whataboutism with weasel words.
ShivShankaran|3 years ago
Irony of calling north Koreans brainwashed
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iJohnDoe|3 years ago
There have been many firsthand accounts of those that have escaped North Korea and shared what it’s like to live there. Concentration camps, starving, torture, chemical warfare experiments on prisoners, famine.
A firsthand account from a female that escaped from North Korea shared that the North Korea government will shutdown the power grid without notice and then raid homes looking for DVDs stuck in players (because no power to eject) and will kill those people responsible.
Those that escape North Korea across the river to China are caught and put into sex trafficking. China is complicit in supporting the horrible treatment of the North Korean people.
At least one source.
https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/71/
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41tor|3 years ago
Death to totalitarians.
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notRobot|3 years ago
> They are very aware that their country is massively worse off than the rest of the world
That's not necessarily true. They don't have access to the internet or foreign media. Only propaganda.
> yet they don't murder their kings
If it was that easy, every country would be a democracy.
aljgz|3 years ago
Go and read what's happening now in Iran. Random people are being killed in streets. Teenager girls are kidnapped and then when they're released many days later they're raped many many times. People have no media. The government uses military equipment against people.
And Iran is nowhere a dictatorship like NK.
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