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We have to agree that either “modern Ukraine” was created in 1920s from Russians and Russian territories or there were different people on that land long before that.

If you are leaning towards the former then this could be extended even further: Soviet Union only ever harassed itself. There were no occupied Baltic states, there was no Ukraine, etc etc - just one big happy family called USSR.

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Andrew_nenakhov|3 years ago

> We have to agree...

No, you just constructed a false dichotomy.

Russian Empire and its successor states USSR and Russia is a product of imperialism that was born in Kiev when Grand Prince Vladimir has brought Orthodox Christianity to those lands. This imperialism conquered some territories, lost some territories (Kiev proper), then regained them back and conquered a lot more, then splintered. The current war is the result of the imperialist successor of the original Kiev regime to gain Kiev back.

qwytw|3 years ago

Well if you go back that far you should blame the Swedes who established the first centralized(ish) Rus state in Novgorod (not Kiev...). So the current war is in fact the result of the imperialist ambitions of successors of the Swedish Vikings from the 9th century.

augustuspolius|3 years ago

It’s a false dichotomy only if you indeed believe that Russia has “created” Ukraine and that Ukrainians are not a real nation. Russia has as much right to claim Ukraine as Ukraine - Russia. None.