[rodw]

> I have nothing intrinsic against electron, and I'll take everything back if I see these "natural fits" actually fit.

As a baseline, Electron performance _should_ be no worse than a regular SPA-style web UI running in the browser. Unless you find _everything_ on the web "irritatingly slow" it's surely _possible_ to create an Electron app with acceptable performance.

From my perspective anyway, I've both used and contributed to multiple Electron-based apps with performance that was not only "adequate" but not noticeably different from a typical native app. Basic Electron apps (done correctly) will look and feel more or less like a web app but perform more or less like a web app too.

FWIW there is a lightly-curated list of electron apps at https://www.electronjs.org/apps

I'm not sure offhand which of those is a good example of UI/UX and performance, but if you poke around with some of the medium-scope stuff (not too basic, not too ambitious) I'll bet you can find some examples.

UPDATE: I spot checked a few of those Electron apps for the fun of it. Here are a few examples you may find compelling:

* Deer - https://github.com/abahmed/Deer/releases/tag/v1.0.0 - A simple styled-text note-taking app that was last updated ~4 years ago. I don't _love_ all the UX choices personally but the performance seemed reasonable in my short test, especially considering the version of Electron they are using is 16 major releases out of date. There are probably more robust note-taking examples in that list (e.g. Inkdrop, Notable, Notion), this just happens to be the one I grabbed.

* Pencil - https://pencil.evolus.vn/ - A much more complex app for drawing fairly sophisticated Visio-like diagrams and UI mock-ups. Performance wise it seems about as responsive as a typical native app on my nearly 3 year old MacBook. But it may have large-ish baseline memory footprint so YMMV.

* I notice that some well known apps (or at least brands) are listed, like Trello, Asana, Notion, GitHub Desktop, Basecamp, WordPress, Twitch, Skype, Signal, Quickbooks, Light Table, Figma, WhatsApp, etc. For several of those I for one was not aware that they were Electron-based, and I'm guessing at least some (but probably not all) of those work pretty well. I think I've used both GitHub Desktop and Notion without anything to complain about but I'm not surprised that they are Electron apps. I've definitely used that Skype client and never noticed that it was an Electron app. I've never used it, but I'd bet Trello works well too.

IMO I think this demonstrates my original point in this thread: When an Electron app is well-engineered you don't even notice that it's Electron. It's survivor bias. People think Electron apps are bad because it's the bad apps that are noticeably Electron-based.

[unsafecast]

You're right. I tried Deer and it works perfectly, it's smooth and only drops a frame or two on a cold start. It's a well-written program. If it weren't for the UI, I wouldn't even have guessed it's electron. I tried using Pencil too but it didn't work for me because of dynamic link problems (not Pencil's fault - just Linux being very bad at packaging things and me running a slightly nonstandard system).

That said, the ratio of fast electron apps over slow electron apps is much worse than the one of fast native apps over slow native apps. If it's not the tech then it's the people around it. Either way, if I hear "hot new program" and it's electron, I don't think I'm in the wrong to assume it will also be rather slow.

At the end of the day, all I really care about is for the programs I use to work well and reliably. I don't really care how you make them, and as I said I don't have anything intrinsic against electron.