[howaboutnope]

You think this is the result of how much the average person can be trusted? Trash on the streets or urine in a phone booth are one thing, but this hits a bit different:

> equipment vandalized but nothing taken from the sites

Bust just out of curiosity, how do we make it so people can be trusted, so that then "society works"?

[ars]

> Bust just out of curiosity, how do we make it so people can be trusted, so that then "society works"?

By not marginalizing people. There is a strong push to make all conservative viewpoints (and people) irredeemable and not part of society.

What happened to agree to disagree?

Democrats for the most part seem incapable of understanding Republican viewpoints, they just throw up their hands and call them "crazy" or other such words. You are not required to agree with the viewpoint, but you ARE required to understand it, and understand why a person might have a viewpoint you disagree with.

If you can't do that, you are the problem.

[gizmo385]

> What happened to agree to disagree?

I’ll agree to disagree with you about how best we spend our tax dollars. I’ll agree to disagree with you about the right strategy to tackle climate change. I’ll agree to disagree with you about what infrastructure projects we prioritize or how we distribute foreign aid.

What I won’t “agree to disagree” about is that LGBTQ people deserve not to be discriminated against. I won’t agree to disagree about whether trans people should be accepted for who they are or if we should follow the broad scientific consensus on how to help people with gender dysohoria feel comfortable as themselves.

An agreement to disagree is, ultimately, a reinforcement and protection of the status quo and when the status quo is deeply cruel to certain people in our country, I have no need or desire to pretend that we’re having a mere policy disagreement.

[wyre]

Forgive me if I’m misinterpreting your post but are you implying that republicans are marginalized? A group of predominantly white cisheteronormative Christians is the marginalized group? I don’t buy that for a second.

[p0pcult]

Agreeing to disagree with intolerance just furthers intolerance, to paraphrase Karl Popper.

[survirtual]

We feed them, house them, and give them medical care by paying them a living wage & making all these things affordable. Affordable enough so the norm is people being able to have a family.

This cannot be difficult for anyone to understand. Most people cannot afford this in the US (and many other “modernized” countries) — yet we have access to lightspeed comms, which enables mass organization.

It is only a matter of time before these injustices materialize insurgency.

Even land these days costs a fortune almost everywhere. land — undeveloped, with nothing. So legally, most people can’t even opt out in this country by buying a remote plot, building a little cabin and getting some peace and quiet. The paperwork and process is so convoluted with so many useless parties, and the asking prices for land that’s being squatted is unbelievable.

I think we are just at the end of the experience of a nation’s cycle. You cannot show people “with” what it’s like to be “without” so it simply cannot be understood. Those “with” rule because they have time to rule, and they always rule in their favor. It isn’t hard to imagine what proceeds from that.

[AbrahamParangi]

It’s not a matter of understanding. Many people just don’t believe that the statements you made match reality.

It’s not a difference of competence, it’s a difference of axioms. You believe that (almost?) all people would desist from antisocial behavior if they had food, shelter and medical care. Others do not believe this, because they have different beliefs regarding human nature.