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rufusroflpunch | 3 years ago

What are you getting at, exactly? Are you implying they don't need to fire these people, they just want to? Or are you saying they think they need it, but they really don't?

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brundolf|3 years ago

Firing a bunch of people impacts morale, PR, etc. So there may be a bunch of people they'd like to fire but not badly enough to deal with those consequences. But a public narrative of "it's the economy" or "layoffs are just going around" can shield them from those consequences and give them an opportunity.

jstummbillig|3 years ago

What I took from it – and I think they might be on to something – is that it's opportunistic firing.

Firing people at this scale would have been pretty expensive just a few month back, PR wise. Right now, a lot less so. So you might be tempted to think of the current climate as a good opportunity to shed some fat, to the point where you go into it with the idea of hiring back right away and being able to do so at better conditions. The market has relaxed.

Compare it to a few month back, where switching jobs (= firing your employer) was a great way to automagically increase your pay. It works both ways.

tensor|3 years ago

PR wise to who though? I don't think any of Microsoft's customers actually care. For developer hiring yeah it will hurt their PR, but at the end of the day sorry to say devs tend to go where the pay is highest irrespective of PR.

mrkeen|3 years ago

He's implying that the company has some kind of duty to treat its employees like humans who would be adversely affected by being fired - or the company would perhaps suffer some PR damage from mass firings. But if everyone's doing it, it's a necessity.

brightball|3 years ago

I think he's suggesting that they want to do periodic layoffs regardless but that there may be a more negative perception of doing so in isolation rather than the current situation of multiple other big tech companies doing it.

burnished|3 years ago

The phrase "hard time teasing out" typically implies that the author doesn't know what to think amidst several options.

dakiol|3 years ago

Isn't it obvious? They don't need to fire those people.