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zackbloom | 3 years ago

Unlike the NOTAM outage, a METAR outage will and should actually affect flights. Without weather at your destination it becomes impossible to know if it’s safe to land there. The forecasts (TAF) are actually used more in flight planning, but actual weather is very valuable while enroute, when not close enough to hear weather over the radio from the destination airport.

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repiret|3 years ago

To add some nuance to what other commenters have said, 95%+ of all NOTAMs are useless, telling you about grass that might be mowed, animals that might be present, temporary "obstacles" that you could only hit if you were flying both dangerously and illegally, correcting immaterial typos in the charts, or updates to dubiously helpful information published in the charts (number of hotels in the surrounding area).

Others are potentially useful, but not essential for safe flight. Things like closed taxiways, nonavailability of services at an airport, etc.

And a very few are really critically important. Runway closures, correction to vital chart information, airspace changes, malfunctioning navigation aids.

The FAA's reaction to the NOTAM outage was probably the correct course of action. But make no mistake, the volume of spam NOTAMs combined with the lack of an easy way for a pilot to quickly sort for important NOTAMs makes us all less safe.

snuxoll|3 years ago

> But make no mistake, the volume of spam NOTAMs combined with the lack of an easy way for a pilot to quickly sort for important NOTAMs makes us all less safe.

The system is in desperate need of some modernization, no argument there. The fact that there isn't a simple criticality filed with them that makes it easy to see what will actually impact flight planning (airspace closure / runway closure vs stupid chart updates) is insane.

teeray|3 years ago

Unrelated to aviation, but I actually find METARs and TAFs are useful for hiking and skiing. I use the altimeter settings for my altimeter when hiking, and knowing the altitude of cloud layers is useful to know what the visibility will be like on the mountain (you have to do a bit of math with the airport elevation and the mountain’s elevation, but hey—it works!).

krisoft|3 years ago

I used METAR for running, or rather to say which days I'm allowed to not run.

I noticed that when the day was long, and I was feeling tired and lazy it was a lot easier to find some excuse why not to run that day. This excuse was often the weather. But on the other hand I didn't want to say no matter the weather I must run, because that is obviously excessive. So I made up a simple "algorithm" to decide if the weather fits the minimums, and if it did I must go and run. And I choose to base it on the measurements from the METAR of the local airport.

dpifke|3 years ago

In the era before cell-phone internet, being able to call the automated weather reporting station at the nearest airport and have it read out conditions was hugely useful.

For folks who haven't seen what's in a METAR/TAF: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/weather/asos/ (By default, clicking a station gives you the abbreviated format; you can select the "decode" radio button and click "update" to translate it into English.)

webdoodle|3 years ago

I like your idea of visibility a lot, and would like to know more. Are you using a barometric altimeter? I use one hiking, but mainly for dead reckoning using an USGS elevation map. I usually just set my altimeter using those maps.

NegativeK|3 years ago

NOTAMs cover things like runway closures or airspace closures due to hazard, as well as a huge host of other issues.

Stopping takeoffs was absolutely the right move, since they couldn't handle the phone throughput.

huslage|3 years ago

Err. NOTAM should also have effected flights. Please don't downplay the safety of airspace.

tjohns|3 years ago

A pilot can legally land without a METAR, and this happens all the time. The stations can and do go offline. Sometimes they break, especially after a severe storm. Many smaller airfields don't have on-site weather reporting, some others don't have a network connection.

You look at the closest available weather station and you look at the forecasts — human-authored (TAFs) and computer-autored (GFA/MOS). And when you arrive, you look outside at the actual conditions — the windsock, actual flight visibility, etc. If the conditions are worse than expected, you divert to your alternate.

strictnein|3 years ago

Yep. Not knowing the atmospheric pressure can lead to planes crashing, especially if it's inclement weather.

tgsovlerkhgsel|3 years ago

Wouldn't each airport measure and report the local weather anyways?

afgrant|3 years ago

Are local weather conditions not generally available for all airports at all times?

joezydeco|3 years ago

They are. I've even seen small aircraft pilots call the automated weather line from the cockpit while they're preparing to approach the destination airport.

krisoft|3 years ago

Yes. And that service is called METAR (METeorological Aerodrome Reports).

bobkazamakis|3 years ago

>Unlike the NOTAM outage, a METAR outage will and should actually affect flights.

We have mines being blasted to our north in temporarily restricted military airspace - lets just allow pilots to roll the dice?