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hm2k | 14 years ago

What's the alternative?

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JTxt|14 years ago

Drupal.

(Although it has it share of cons too, it can do many of the items on the list. Some require coercing, but doable.)

edit, in progress:

- Document management- No, not Word, Excel files etc. but can do revisions/diffs on site content, and manage files to some degree.

- Workflow management- http://drupal.org/project/workflow

- Digital asset management- http://drupal.org/project/media

- Link management - http://drupal.org/project/pathauto and others... not sure what you need here.

- User management - Default may do what you need, can do more.

- ESI Caching / CDN ability. - (no esi in drupal 7) / http://drupal.org/project/cdn

- WYSIWYG editing- Many options but sometimes flaky.

- Single Sign-on- http://drupal.org/project/bakery

- Multi-side Admin - Not sure. Different user groups can have different access.

- Publishing options - Quite a few. what do you need?

- Access Management - http://drupal.org/project/acl and more.

- Application - ?

- Multi-lingual - http://drupal.org/project/i18n

- n-to-n content sharing- user to user sharing?

- Reporting - what kind?

Disclaimer: I've used it for a few projects; More experience than word-press or joomla.

Ecio78|14 years ago

Disclaimer: i've used Drupal for a couple of projects and I like it for its easyness for noncoder, this is just about the cons: Drupal is very good and powerful (i think the best part is the ability to create custom contents with CCK - now included in core in D7), surely more "CMS" than WP, but it's far from being perfect. As someone wrote in another comment, sometimes it's a nightmare (theming or just finding the right module and hoping it wont give you problems with other modules). There are also people saying it has become more and more overbloated http://www.unleashedmind.com/en/blog/sun/the-drupal-crisis others stating that it's better to move to more developing oriented framework: http://erickennedy.org/Drupal-7-Reasons-to-Switch and big consulting company that has worked with Drupal and is now moving to other: http://drupalradar.com/breaking-development-seed-quits-drupa...

I think every single CMS/platform/framework can be criticized or even demonized if you search well.

stef25|14 years ago

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Expression Engine yet and am curious to hear people's opinions about it.

timmaah|14 years ago

I am developing a site in Expression Engine at the moment. First time with it and first time using php in a major project. (At the moment I identify myself as a Rails guy with no php experience)

EE is pretty powerful in enabling you to get a site with multiple customized CRUD data up and running quick. Though the makers of EE need to do some serious work on documentation, as it took me about a week to fully understand how all the parts fit together (Our designer is having major issues wrapping her head around it). As with most any other CMS, when you hit the limit of EE, it is a hassle to add that one small item you need.

There is an active 3rd party plugin community. With quite a few being paid plugins.

The overall license charge and additional plugins are just a drop for any major project. It is exciting to know there are a few 3rd party folks making some good money on small EE plugins. I may just write a few of my own.

wonderyak|14 years ago

A lot of us would love to be able to chime in on EE, I'm sure. Not having a downloadable demo or some way of checking out without paying $200 makes it way lower down the list when you're looking for alternatives.

I would love to check it out; but if I don't like it or it won't work for my clients it's a total hassle.

mknx|14 years ago

Suggested using EE before for a few clients. They turned down because of the license and hassle to renew it.

bobfunk|14 years ago

We're working hard at building the best fully hosted one at http://www.webpop.com

Our aim is to get close to the power of something like Drupal with a simple and usable interface that's a joy to use. All fully hosted, requiring no maintenance.

We're the only hosted system that is also truly extendible (you can build extensions in server-side javascript) and we're seeing both tiny one-pages and large content driven pages being built with our product by now.

spohlenz|14 years ago

I recently released the first version of Wheelhouse CMS - https://www.wheelhousecms.com, which is a Rails-based CMS including WYSIWYG editing, template-based form generation, media library, plugins and a decent UI.

It's not free software but from my biased perspective its by far the best CMS I've ever used and my clients love it.

Demo here: http://demo.wheelhousecms.com

dlapiduz|14 years ago

Concrete5 is a pretty cool new CMS that has a lot of the features that this guy asks for. http://www.concrete5.org/

aftk2|14 years ago

Thanks! Appreciate the mention. We try to bring some new approaches to the open source cms space. (note: I'm the core team leader of concrete5)

astrodust|14 years ago

That's the sad part of the story.

zalew|14 years ago

Write spec, hire dev, build your own.

antidaily|14 years ago

I can't think of a bigger waste of time. That is, unless you've somehow convinced a client to pay you to do it.

FraaJad|14 years ago

keithpeter|14 years ago

WordPress can be installed on hosted Web server space under a user account with no admin access. Plone needs admin rights and runs a daemon. Note: I'm not suggesting that the author's organisation did use WP that way.

I agree with others above that the author could have mentioned alternatives.

hanalei|14 years ago

concrete5 cms is pretty decent.

buro9|14 years ago

You may well be right, but I think you should have disclosed your status in the concrete5 community and the fact that you've contributed code to concrete5 and created the blog app.

Mostly because as a first-time poster, no-one knows you here and it would be good to see some impartiality or at least a critical argument about what sets concrete5 apart in respect to addressing the concerns of the article.