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MintsJohn | 3 years ago

I've been thinking that for months, but recently swung towards being more optimistic about SD again, everything midjourney looks midjourney while SD allows you to create images in any style. MJ really needs to get rid of that MJ style, make it optional as it's undeniably pretty, it's just becoming a little much.

But I still feel 2.x is somehow a degradation of 1.x, its hard to get something decent out of it. The custom training/tuning and all is nice (and certainly the top rain to use SD over MJ, many use cases MJ just can't do) but it should not be used as a band-aid for appearantly inherent shortcomings in the new clip layer (I'm assuming this is where the largest difference comes from, since the Unet is trained on largely the same dataset as 1.x).

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throwaway675309|3 years ago

To be fair that's the default style of MJ, you're seeing that a lot because most users don't take the time to add style modifiers to their prompts.

If you add qualifiers such as soft colors, impressionistic, western animation, stencil, etc. you can steer mid journey towards much more personalized styles.

brianjking|3 years ago

Yeah, a lot of Midjourney images are very clearly Midjourney images. Does Midjourney have inpainting/outpainting yet? I admit it's the offering I've evaluated the least.

Midjourneys upscaled images to their current max offering look fantastic, that's for sure. My wife generates some really great stuff just for fun.

lobocinza|3 years ago

It has inpainting and scaffolding at least.

smeagull|3 years ago

SD really shat the bed, and a bunch of projects appear to have stuck with 1.5.

michaelbrave|3 years ago

I think 2.0 has potential still, it works with textual inversion type models much better, which can kinda play nice with each other, so given enough of those I imagine you can get some cool stuff with it. I've also heard it does negative prompts much better, so those are less optional in 2.0

But yeah for now, all my custom models are 1.5 so I've yet to fully upgrade yet, most of the community seems to be doing similar at the moment.

lobocinza|3 years ago

MJ is easy to get started with and works well out of the box. SD is for those that want to do things that MJ can't like embeddings.