[mrtnmcc]

Arguably a more Chinese-style philosophy is prudent now as the world becomes a smaller place. Chinese people have sustained for thousands of years on the same land, without needing to rely on continuously invading new territory. Now the whole Earth is settled, we need to learn how to live together. Not that China is perfect, but we certainly have much to teach each other, and the Chinese have been the better listener so far.

[alephnerd]

That ignores the massive expansion into Central Asia (Tibet, Turkestan, Badhkashan, Altai), Mongolia, Borneo, the Yenisei Basin, Yunnan, Kachin, the Miao/Viet/Tai/Hmong frontier, and Formosa/Taiwan that the Qing Dynasty (which itself is Manchu, not Han) lead. Modern China is very much a reflection of that mass expansion.

Also, Chinese are not homogenous. Ignoring the 20th century Han social construct, there have always been distinct ethnic and cultural differences among differing "Chinese" ethnic groups like Cantonese, Teochew, Hokkien, Hakka, Guangzhong, etc that were erased during the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution.

[dirtyid]

Except CCP/PRC resolved 12/14 land border disputes inherited from ROC, most of which involved ceding more territory during settlement. That's the opposite of expansion, and TBF hard to find another country that has voluntarily ceded more land under bilateral negotiations. PRC territory literally contracted under westphalian framework that these narratives are measured against.

[mrtnmcc]

Agreed there is nuance, but the Han dynasty had similar borders 2000 years ago.

The Great Wall helped, it wasn't the easiest thing to move around.

[klipklop]

I don't really find their modern day philosophy (in terms of a society/country) all that enlightening. The earth is full so we should tolerate governments like the CCP/CPC? China's style of government is dysfunctional and dystopian, not prudent.

From my viewpoint China never expanded not because they were chill people, they could not even repel foreign invaders, let alone expand an empire.

Totally agree we should work together on this planet, but with a dictator like Xi in power that wont happen.

[foverzar]

> The earth is full so we should tolerate governments like the CCP/CPC?

Careful with that kind of rhetorics. The world may start asking the same question regarding the 15% of world's population who act like they are the enlightened masters of the world questioning whether they should "tolerate" something on the other side of the globe.

Even now there isn't much tolerance towards American or French governments, who actually do evil shit far from their national borders.

> Totally agree we should work together on this planet, but with a dictator like Xi in power that wont happen.

Meh, how about instead each of us minds our OWN business? There is no way one can be actually responsible about things one is not accountable for.

Afghanistan is a perfect illustration of that - not just recent evacuation while leaving a shit ton of modern weapons, but all the way back to the days when the US had been nurturing mujahideen to create problems for the Soviet Union, which gave the rise of what we now know as islamic fundamentalist extremism (Taliban, Al-Qaeda, ISIS and such)

[wazer5]

Hard to be enlightened based on a right-wing Western media lens of what China is.

[dilyevsky]

> Chinese culture has sustained for thousands of years on the same land, without needing to rely on invading new territory.

You should probably brush up on your asian history - there was incredible amount of conquest wars in what became modern China with casualties rivaled only by ww1/2

[albertopv]

I very much prefer living in a country where I can go where I want without asking to government or say almost what I want without risking to go an education camp. So no thank you, current chinese is not my way and never will.

[mrtnmcc]

It's ironic to criticize the way the Chinese handled terrorism concerns against Muslim Uyghurs in Xinjiang, when the US War on Terror didn't just dehumanize and supress American Muslims-- it killed about 1 million people across the globe.

This is a case of "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

We can all criticize Xinjiang, but not to justify cultural superiority, if anything it works the other way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_terror

[influx]

Which part of history does Genghis Khan fit into your narrative? He died in 1227, having killed between 4 million to 60 million people...

[pphysch]

The part where Chinese civilization built the largest wall in human history to defend from the civilization that produced Genghis.

Defensive, not offensive!

[mrtnmcc]

Um... Ghenghis Khan was Mongolian. Mongolians are not in any way at all related to the Chinese people/Han people.

[beebmam]

This is plainly, a lie. Here's a list of Chinese territorial acquisitions since the communists rose to power:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_changes_of_the_Peo...

[georgeg23]

Actually that link's numbers show that China's area hasn't changed by even 1%.

In particular, the largest listed conflict: 1962, China won the military victory of Sino-Indian War but withdrew to the pre-war boundaries.

[notch656c]

Does Chinese history show they are any more immune than others to our weaknesses in living together?

[mrtnmcc]

China is about 10x older than the US. We're like a six year old thinking they knowing better than grandpa.