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ynab4 | 3 years ago

The tech industry hasn't produced one net positive benefit for humanity in the past 20 years.

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klyrs|3 years ago

I was gonna say "what about arxiv or Wikipedia" but I'm unsure that nonprofits should count as "industry"

throwaway5959|3 years ago

The iPhone, messaging apps, online tax preparation (I do my taxes on my _phone_), Spotify, Dropbox, drones, 3d printing, etc provide no value?

everdrive|3 years ago

I agree that the parent is being overly pessimistic, but on balance I’m not sure that your list represents a net positive. The iPhone especially has been negative, as it nearly single-handedly ushered in the era of ubiquitous smartphones, vendor lock-in, and app stores.

arp242|3 years ago

"No value" is of course not the same as "net positive benefit".

Takes drones for example. I've been woken by them at 7am on campsites. I've been quietly reading a book at the beach only to be disrupted by some instagram addict with a drone. Peaceful walks in the mountains have been disrupted. As far as I'm concerned, they're a net-negative. They're excessively loud, annoying, and as far as I'm concerned they're net-negative.

You're other examples are more complex, but my point is mainly: "provides value" is not identical to "net positive benefit".

midoridensha|3 years ago

Online tax prep isn't a net positive at all. It's a solution to a problem that doesn't need to exist. In normal countries, the government already knows your income and other such info, and fills out your taxes for you; you just have to verify and sign, unless there's a problem.

Messaging apps are a bit similar: SMS is so horrible that proprietary apps were made as a better alternative, but it's all Balkanized and incompatible. Still, they fill a need, since communication is important and something people should do (tax prep is not: most people shouldn't be doing it at all).

ynab4|3 years ago

"The iPhone"

Well meme'd, good sir

Am4TIfIsER0ppos|3 years ago

The smartphone is the worst invention in the history of the world. Worse than nuclear weapons, worse than corona virus, worse than leaded gasoline. It is an enslavement device, a tracking device, a spying device.

[EDIT] Messaging "apps" used to be neutral but now are trending negative due to being controlled by spy companies.

Taxation is theft so making it easier doesn't sound like a good thing.

Spotify is a service designed to remove your property rights under guise of giving you access to a large catalogue.

Dropbox is a government surveillance service. Upload your files so the government can scan them.

Drones are govt surveillance devices.

3d printing is neutral.

euroderf|3 years ago

I could agree with this if one carves out an exception for accessibility tech. It's wonderful when someone disabled can communicate more easily.

rkho|3 years ago

How do you quantify each of:

- The tech industry - Net positive benefit - Humanity

?

chrisbolt|3 years ago

- Sent from my iPhone

richardatlarge|3 years ago

Another way to phrase this point: if I had to choose between all of it, so far, or none of it — I’d choose the latter. And as I type here now, I say I would. Pull the plug

gsatic|3 years ago

Agree. Calling what they do as tech is the biggest joke. Whenever I read Big Tech my brain changes it to Big Shit.

osigurdson|3 years ago

I’d say it is Big Ad for the most part. “Tech” was needed to achieve the requisite scale but the business is ads for the most part.