[she11c0de]

> it's a huge waste of researchers time to obsess about political correctness when we could be <100 years off from AGI.

This really irritates me. The wokism/political correctness is pretty much in every part of our lifes and everyone seems to be terrorized by it. Can we just agree that we're all thinking adults and we understand that this is an algorithm, it does not mean to offend anyone... There are much more interesting problems to solve than tip-toeing around all the snowflakes.

[ben_w]

> The wokism/political correctness is pretty much in every part of our lifes and everyone seems to be terrorized by it.

I see no evidence of this.

Partly because "woke" means different things to different people in the last 10 years despite the preceding 80 being solely about the systemic institutional discrimination against black Americans.

But also partly because that "woke" became "everything $speaker doesn't like" (and thus exactly the same meaning "political correctness" had when I was a kid), and therefore people who "hate PC" come across not so much terrified as petulant.

> Can we just agree that we're all thinking adults and we understand that this is an algorithm, it does not mean to offend anyone...

No.

What you're describing is how humans like to see themselves, not how humans really function.

> There are much more interesting problems to solve than tip-toeing around all the snowflakes.

We can't just tip-toe around snowflakes.

To give a real example, some gay furry American conservative snowflakes got apoplectically upset when the furry convention they wanted go to to reminded all attendees that as the con is based in Germany they had always banned Nazis.

I still don't know why those particular snowflakes chose to believe that "Nazi" was literally just a dog-whistle for "conservative".

And now there are some American conservative politicians are now making up random nonsense about furries which is weirdly somehow getting conflated with transgender issues (don't know how or why, American politics isn't that interesting, merely invasive like Japanese knotweed).

[jasmer]

Again, this is less about the AI than the institutional filters OpenAI uses.

It's probably not a hugely important issue, but worthy of some discussion.

[zosima]

People are getting a woefully inaccurate picture of the world, which make us all worse off (because massive numbers act deluded, due to being fed bullshit).

Making sure that AIs don't go completely bonkers for the powers that be, is ultimately a cultural battle that seems worth fighting for.

[account42]

Wokeism tolerates and even encourages racism and sexism, as long as it is not targeted at one of the protected races or sex. Not wanting to be forced to validate other peoples delusions about their gender isn't transphobia. Not wanting rainbow flags in your face everywhere - or really any kind of sex-related content - isn't homophobia. The current woke culture is way past letting people do whatever they want with their lives and fully focused on telling other people how to live.

Using -isms to label and shut down anyone who doesn't fully agree with yor world by trying to lump them with the worst kind of people you can think of is exactly why people feel terrorized by wokism.

And if you want to talk about insitutionalized systemetic prejudice then there is nothing more fitting than woke culture pushed at every opportunity by corporate america as well as the useful idiots that fall for the distraction from the class war.

[she11c0de]

> Sorry if I'm not tip-toeing around your delicate feelings

Don't be, my feelings are not delicate, why do you assume that?

> Is it really that difficult and frustrating for you not to openly act like a racist sexist homophobic transphobic bigot in public?

It's not difficult for me at all since I'm neither of those things. The issue I have with wokeism is exactly that - it's making people who are not racist afraid to speak their minds because an angry mob may misinterpret their words and crucify/cancel them. This hinders public discussion and scientific progress, which I believe is exactly what happens in case of OpenAI having to waste time on those filters.