Suspect Eminem himself would have a more nuanced take on this than the ‘of course this is okay’ or ‘this is never okay’ responses it’s getting right here.
Number 1: Hip hop’s built (to at least as great an extent as EDM) on sampling. And while the degree of respect for clearing and getting authorization to use samples has varied over the years and between artists, as a reference point, Eminem’s breakthrough ‘My Name Is’ uses a Labi Siffre sample as its hook, and Eminem altered the lyrics and content when requested to make changes by Siffre (who is gay, and did not want to be associated with homophobic slurs, for example) in order to get clearance to use it. So there’s evidence there is some basic respect for the artist you’re borrowing from over and above just doing the minimum the law allows or asserting your rights over them. So you know, it might have been nice for Guetta to call and let him know, you know?
2: he’s also part of a culture of musical insults and attacks and rap battle dissing, where throwing out names of other artists and making jokes about them (and worse) is part of the game (see my tongue-in-cheek sibling comment ‘nobody listens to techno’, which is an Eminem lyric about Moby of all people). So he’s more likely to just drop a mean word about David Guetta in a track in the future and call it even than to take him to court. Which would have the advantage of giving Guetta an awesome sample he could drop into future sets, and so the whole cycle completes.
I am not sure what gave you the impression that he didn’t call. I don’t think there’s been confirmation either way. I know people aren’t always familiar with Guetta or EDM, but it’s important to know how prolific and genre blending he and his music is. I would give him the benefit of the doubt. He’s at the top of the list of artists who would do this intentionally, but respectfully to cause a discussion. Guetta has many song collaborations with mainstream artists in R&B and Hip Hop. His full songwriting credits list is huge but just looking at the credits page for who he’s done music videos with should give you a clear understanding of him. He needs to show respect to the artist, but he doesn’t need to defend that he did publicly.
A YouTuber called "30 Hertz" has been making several fake Eminem songs (+other artists) for 2 years now, in very good quality.
An example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMunOszEQHE
This isn't going to be released commercially, as a very successful artist, he knows that better than most. No record label would release songs without clearing things with the relevant artist. Many artists and DJs don't release live sets/remixes because it would be impossible to clear all the samples, I don't see why this would be any different.
On the other hand, you might be able to clear royalties quicker, so long as you emphasize its AI with permission, now nobody has to spend money on studio time recording new vocals for some one off DJ remix.
This seems very close to remixing or covering music, which already happens on a big scale, with royalties in place. If they can clearly recognize someone's voice/style, then they would want a piece of the pie. Outside the law, music industry still has a lot of power, and platforms like Spotify are not going to risk those relationships.
Sure but that existed before, you could always ask somebody else to write you a song in the style of Eminem to use in your own song, the difference is how easy it became.
For somebody like David Guetta, it always has been financially possible.
I believe David Guetta that he was really just playing around with these cool tools here (who isn't blown away by them?). But I guess it won't go unnoticed by the teams and investors of uberduck and other AI startups that this is the perfect guerilla marketing stunt.
Gotta admit it, I am guilty too, never heard of uberduck before and caught myself creating an account and browsing their pricing site today.
Maybe I am late to recognize that, but with recent developments I get the feeling that AI and machine learning are really getting somewhere now. If it goes forward with the current trajectory, then this could change the world just like radio, television or the internet did.
You could use https://vocalremover.org/ to remove music. I've used it for sampling speech out of tv programmes with background audio and the results are immense.
Interesting, hadn’t heard of Tortoise TTS. You can use something like Meta’s Demucs to extract the vocal from a full track in surprisingly good quality too.
But who will those gansta rappers turn to, should some hn-gansta steal there IP, likeness and ID?
We should create a retribution gang, that rolls up with flashing lights and distributes punishment. They could hang out at strip clubs and cocktailbars while not needed.
We could call it pole-ICE..
History producing strange staircase humor..
But these moments, they were what they told me to expect, when the singularity begins to dance through the streets..
Last time I checked, David Guetta was not producing techno. Eventually he spends most of his time with his arm in the air so calling him a dj is a huge stretch too.
The rules for live DJ sets is very different from copyright rules that limit published music. This is the same as when artists use samples of meme audio, which otherwise would be copyrighted. Guetta has a long very large body of work and deserves the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the question of Eminem okaying it. He very clearly wants there to be a discussion about this. Celebrity impersonators for singing have been a thing for a long time. This isn’t about one artist in particular.
I was playing with Tortoise TTS and was genuinely surprised by how good it is with just a few minutes of clean audio. It didn’t take me hours to train or fine tune, the generation step is sort of long, 5-7 minutes for 30 seconds, but it feels really similar to stable diffusion where you do quick test with slow samples and iterations to find a decent seed, and then you let it do a more complete regeneration. It’s zero shot generation that ran on my laptop 2070 max q and i7 10750h. It’s not perfect but it’s believable when layered with music.
I just want an entirely new collection of music by the AI formerly known as Prince so that we can move the lawsuits forward and rule in favor of the new-creator. Derivative works will win. Prince will roll in his grave.
I saw this via a LinkedIn post which said it used ChatGPT and uberduck.ai, the search on there doesn’t seem to work for posts so I can’t find the original source unfortunately, but it would make sense that he used those tools
ChatGPT can emulate rappers who use versus create new language, metaphors and expressions. It’s a natural impression twice distilled from its origin, a lived experience.
Wow, people seem so ready to be aggro about Guetta or ai or w/e. Disappointing that people can't get past their high school opinions and have some fun.
Check out his sets from Dubai and so on over the pandemic, Ultra, etc.. Dude brings good vibes, relax
[+] [-] jameshart|3 years ago|reply
Number 1: Hip hop’s built (to at least as great an extent as EDM) on sampling. And while the degree of respect for clearing and getting authorization to use samples has varied over the years and between artists, as a reference point, Eminem’s breakthrough ‘My Name Is’ uses a Labi Siffre sample as its hook, and Eminem altered the lyrics and content when requested to make changes by Siffre (who is gay, and did not want to be associated with homophobic slurs, for example) in order to get clearance to use it. So there’s evidence there is some basic respect for the artist you’re borrowing from over and above just doing the minimum the law allows or asserting your rights over them. So you know, it might have been nice for Guetta to call and let him know, you know?
2: he’s also part of a culture of musical insults and attacks and rap battle dissing, where throwing out names of other artists and making jokes about them (and worse) is part of the game (see my tongue-in-cheek sibling comment ‘nobody listens to techno’, which is an Eminem lyric about Moby of all people). So he’s more likely to just drop a mean word about David Guetta in a track in the future and call it even than to take him to court. Which would have the advantage of giving Guetta an awesome sample he could drop into future sets, and so the whole cycle completes.
[+] [-] citizenkeen|3 years ago|reply
Both hip hop and EDM have a huge culture of sampling live things they couldn't sample and release on an album.
Eminem has rapped over songs he doesn't own at concerts.
[+] [-] creaghpatr|3 years ago|reply
He could use AI to produce a track in the style of David Guetta and rap over that, would be pretty clever.
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https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1615892/fullcredits
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For somebody like David Guetta, it always has been financially possible.
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Then plays a weak ass progressive psytrance drop from 2011
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_rave
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Gotta admit it, I am guilty too, never heard of uberduck before and caught myself creating an account and browsing their pricing site today.
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We should create a retribution gang, that rolls up with flashing lights and distributes punishment. They could hang out at strip clubs and cocktailbars while not needed.
We could call it pole-ICE..
History producing strange staircase humor..
But these moments, they were what they told me to expect, when the singularity begins to dance through the streets..
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I was playing with Tortoise TTS and was genuinely surprised by how good it is with just a few minutes of clean audio. It didn’t take me hours to train or fine tune, the generation step is sort of long, 5-7 minutes for 30 seconds, but it feels really similar to stable diffusion where you do quick test with slow samples and iterations to find a decent seed, and then you let it do a more complete regeneration. It’s zero shot generation that ran on my laptop 2070 max q and i7 10750h. It’s not perfect but it’s believable when layered with music.
https://github.com/152334H/tortoise-tts-fast
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Check out his sets from Dubai and so on over the pandemic, Ultra, etc.. Dude brings good vibes, relax
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