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The israelis destabilizing democracy and disrupting elections worldwide

247 points| r721 | 3 years ago |haaretz.com

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[+] erenyeager|3 years ago|reply
I remember there was a piece about universities in the Uk and collaboration with Mossad agents to suppress pro-Palestine student movements. Additionally, if you’ve heard of the “canary list” it’s a website dedicated to dragging students and activists in the mud by associating them with horrible things.

I remember a professor at my university about whom a fake website claiming he sexually harassed a student was created. Of course the claims were false but because he was an advisor for the Palestine club his name was dragged through mud.

Since a previous comment chain with sources has disappeared for some reason, I’ve posted sources for further reading here:

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2017/1/11/exclusive-israe...

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20210602-bbc-sparks-outrag...

Also see the US anti-boycott laws:

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2018/07/take-action-stop...

https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/anti-bds-law-in-texas-free-...

[+] EdwardDiego|3 years ago|reply
My Red Hat contract specifically stated I wasn't allowed to boycott Israel, as a Kiwi, that was freaking bizarre.
[+] throwaway2203|3 years ago|reply
I remember seeing that canary list online in the 2012-13 era. It was frightening.
[+] ravagat|3 years ago|reply
Haven't heard the canary list mentioned in a while. It was a wild time, I had a few friends' relatives affected
[+] CommanderData|3 years ago|reply
Can you cite this as it sounds horrible.
[+] weatherlite|3 years ago|reply
This happens on both sides of the political spectrum. People who identify as Zionists are banned, ridiculed, haraassed and in extreme cases (but not that rare) physically assaulted everywhere they go.
[+] ianai|3 years ago|reply
“Timed action: When needed, the operator has an army of avatars which can be configured and timed. Thus a huge group is created, who can echo the negative message on all networks”

This article is a really interesting, detailed piece on what I suspect many have suspected.

[+] giantg2|3 years ago|reply
Seems unlikely to work in the US given that we are already highly polarized and dug in to our positions. It's also hard to tell who is a bot and who is not on most forums discussing politics due to the low quality.
[+] yieldcrv|3 years ago|reply
> Some of the activity, Jorge casually admitted, is used to inflate the value of cryptocurrency.

I know of some farm operators too and this tracks.

Theyll equally do campaigns for or against NGOs, and any political party anywhere. Getting those contracts are lucrative but the crypto ones are faster.

Like I would say them approaching a crypto project is top of the funnel. And then as customer relationship they also know everyone is in a country they want to influence.

[+] gdsdfe|3 years ago|reply
isn't it amazing that the US is giving them a few billions of dollars in aid every year
[+] mikelovenotwar|3 years ago|reply
While denying basic health care to American citizens.
[+] Kukumber|3 years ago|reply
the US is doing the same, CIA and mossad are working together with the MI6

how do you think they managed to plant all these military bases all around the world?

[+] AzzieElbab|3 years ago|reply
Really weird timing. Israel itself is currently in the midst of protests with multiple foreign Jewish orgs involved. There is even a petition to Supreme Court calling it to remove Netanyahu submitted by an Israeli org that would have been considered a foreign agent in the US due its funding
[+] eternalban|3 years ago|reply
Their operation must have the blessing of Israeli intelligence. Not a word about ops in the home country iirc.
[+] mschuster91|3 years ago|reply
You don't shit where you eat, to put it colloquially - a common tactic employed by bad actors worldwide, I remember reports about malware disabling itself should it detect a Russian keyboard layout way over a decade ago.
[+] names_are_hard|3 years ago|reply
There were a few words about it, actually. TFA mentions that "someone familiar with the matter" told the journalists that a secret Israeli agency once purchased supposedly hacked financial data from Jorge but the data turned out to be useless forgery. Which seems wild to me, that he would try to scam the people who have the most power to stop him.

There's also comments from one of the team that seems to indicate that they aren't involved in such shenanigans locally, but they're not pretending it isn't happening. He still votes because he has "faith".

[+] rutte476|3 years ago|reply
This happens in the US all the time. Political consulting groups have been doing this for a very very long time. It's part of the fabric of our society.
[+] grugagag|3 years ago|reply
You just made an HN account to say it’s all fine and dandy? Are you part of this or something similar?
[+] leo8|3 years ago|reply
Not fishy at all.
[+] skrowl|3 years ago|reply

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[+] yakireev|3 years ago|reply
> The most common reason is that they were intentionally destabilizing their country and/or governments

The most common cited reason, you probably wanted to say.

Compare: "the most common reason for content removal in Chinese internet is dissemination of fake news" vs "the most common cited reason for content removal in Chinese internet is dissemination of fake news"

[+] sudosysgen|3 years ago|reply
That's completely incorrect. The most common reason is that Jews were refusing to give up their culture and religion, which the authorities saw as destabilising. That's not the fault of the Jews, that's the fault of the authorities being unable to deal with diversity. Your comment is highly antisemitic.
[+] ecommerceguy|3 years ago|reply
I'm not sure how this is much different than what David Brock / DNC and Shareblue did and still does, or the Isreali army does, or Russia. Sounds like Musk was right when saying Twitter was full of bots. Instagram is easiest to manipulate. Again, nothing ground-breaking here at all.