[bXVsbGVy]

I find fascinating that many of those were rejected, but "Pregnant man" and male bride were approved.

https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/

https://emojiguide.com/people-body/man-with-veil/

[ender341341]

My only mildly knowledgeable guess would be that those are more "pregnant person" and as part of the work to add gender modifiers to emojis they just added male/female versions of a whole block that happened to include those.

Would definitely love if the linked chart had a reason for rejection column

[bXVsbGVy]

The "Pregnant Person" is another, different, variant!

https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-person/

https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-man/

https://emojipedia.org/pregnant-woman/

[muzani]

No, they were deliberately added in: https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2017/17232-gender-gap.pdf

There's some evidence of support at the end of it, many of which were angry Twitter posts. Some of those posts seem like satire/shitposts, but it's hard to say without context.

[a1371]

Look up proposal L2/20-190. They provide a number of good reasons for pregnant man. To summarize:

- It avoids gender stereotyping of men in Parenthood.

- couples say "we are pregnant". The term pregnant is culturally used for men too as their search shows.

- the emoji is not just for pregnancy, it is also for feeling bloated, full, and hungry.

I sometimes used this emoji for saying that I'm expecting something. My partner didn't like it.

[sigzero]

Except all of those things is NOT what the actual emoji conveys.

[WirelessGigabit]

The problem is that the definition of the emoji says Pregnant Man Emoji.

So using it for anything other than that defeats accessibility for visually impaired people.

Also, 'we are pregnant' is weird, being pregnant is the act of developing offspring within the body.

[bXVsbGVy]

She is Creative Director for Android and Google.

[kelseyfrog]

Just like how eggplant and peach emoji are used for representing things other than fruit and vegetables, I'd expect pregnant man to find its own niche in time. It doesn't take a genius to guess that it will be used by a lot of guys who just ate an enormous burrito.

[letsbehonest1]

Why is it appropriate for you to suggest how guys will use that emoji, but it’d be wrong for me to suggest how girls may learn to use a different emoji?

This is not how the guys I know use this emoji, btw.

[bentobean]

You make a compelling argument. I have reconsidered my position and am now on board with the pregnant man emoji.

[bXVsbGVy]

Agreed. But bearded women will likely only be used to bully.

[muzani]

"It is time for the UTC to own up to their mistakes. This whole ordeal has gone on for way too long. I am not asking for much; the solution to this problem is laughably easy. The current gender situation in Unicode is discriminatory, end of discussion. It excludes transgender people by pretending that only women can get pregnant. It excludes non-binary people by treating the third gender option as secondary to male and female, and by neglecting it for virtually all current human- form emoji. It excludes gender non-conforming people by carefully avoiding gendered sequences for characters like BEARDED PERSON."

Source: Analysis of Gender Proposals, https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2017/17439-gender-analysis.pdf

[bentobean]

> “by pretending that only women can get pregnant.”

Only women can be impregnated. Stating otherwise does not make it so.

[_shantaram]

> it excludes gender-non-conforming people by carefully avoiding gendered sequences for characters like BEARDED PERSON.

I don't understand this part. Isn't it a good thing that those emojis lack gendered sequences? Or is it that they should have modifiers to make them appear the way that a person wants to present themselves?

[squokko]

Poe’s Law

[mc32]

Man with veil looks like a formal wear kaffiyeh.

I feel like they are missing emojis representing amputees of different types.

[bXVsbGVy]

Also. There is no bald man, or facial hair variations.

But there is a bearded women.

https://emojipedia.org/woman-beard/

[chrismorgan]

Although footnotes 4 and 5 say “This was replaced with [emoji] during the approval process.”, this shouldn’t be taken as that it was accepted in any way. Look at what it was replaced with:

MAN, ZERO WIDTH JOINER, BABY BOTTLE.

That is, bottle-feeding, which is a completely different thing and much more realistic.

So, now you have four relevant Recommended for General Interchange emoji: breast-feeding, and {person,woman,man} feeding baby.

Well, and variants with skin tone modifiers, if you count those distinctly. With the recommendation that the baby’s head be hidden, the skin tone only applying to the feeder (https://unicode.org/reports/tr51/#Multi_Person_Groupings).

[calvinmorrison]

No Male Child Breastfeeding An Adult Male yet? Surely endless combinations are the goal right?