[FinalBriefing]

Gotta disagree with you here. Modern PHP is quite great, especially when paired with Laravel or Symphony. They had to introduce breaking changes to move the language forward, but I don't recall anything huge after 7.0 or so. There's a huge ecosystem of packages to do just about anything web-related, and the documentation and community resources are way better than anything I've seen with say, Java/Spring.

Laravel is a great way for a small team to get an application up and running quickly and really shouldn't be overlooked.

[dgb23]

We’re not disagreeing though. I was contrasting using something like Laravel with just PHP. And it’s not just documentation and ecosystem. You also get a stable, nice foundation with a clear upgrade path that protects you from a wonky foundation.

[phist_mcgee]

Kinda like saying that people shouldn't use vanilla JS these days unless you're a glutton for punishment.