[Alir3z4]

> For a long time I didn't realize why people were so down on ORMs until I tried using a non-django ORM, it really does set the bar.

This. Very much this.

I have given up on one finding such. The closest and nicest one that comes to mind is SQLAlchemy. The rest of languages or frameworks have indeed nothing compared to Django ORM and SQLAlchemy. It's not even fair to compare them.

[spapas82]

My experience is also exactly like this. I have a project in java/spring and it uses hibernate as an ORM. I can't think of how much better is the Django ORM than hibernate. When people express hate for ORMs I understand where this hates comes from.

If I ever need to do another Java project I prefer to use raw jdbc sql than using hibernate.

[traverseda]

Peewee ORM can also be nice if you need support for more esoteric DB features (sqlite user-defined table functions?). No migrations though.