[EL_Loco]

I guess what parent is saying is that 'unrestrained' means you can add any word after the "with a ________", since it's unrestrained. I have to disagree, though. Haven't we, as a society, been restricting (rightfully so in my opinion) more and more those sexual passions which we deem to be very harmful to the ones being sexualized?

[tsegratis]

Thanks both of u for being kind to me. I realize it is a hard issue to converse on, so i wont say too much

But since you're kind :)

Yeah. I suppose without sex, there are no children, and without children eventually there is no sex

So completely restrained is also wrong. Sex has it's context, and should be restrained within it. Children have their context and should be restrained within it

Which is what you're probably saying; to me "unrestrained sexual passion." doesn't mean that. So yeah, we're kinda in agreement, and questioning where the balance falls. That's a good place to be in

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My suggested balance: focus on your spouse's benefit. That leads to _much_ more enjoyable outcomes. I have worked with prostitutes in the past (mostly trafficked women), and i can say forced sex, or unrestrained passion irrespective of another's feelings -- completely removes enjoyment -- unless the person doing it is also cruel

So my balance would be "love your neighbor as yourself."

I realize people can be unhappy with that for many reasons, but i suggest it is at least worthy of discussion

So thanks

[EL_Loco]

I actually meant "grandparent" instead of "parent". So I'm actually agreeing with you. "unrestrained sexual passion" can then mean almost any kind of sexual passion, since it's 'unrestrained', which will lead to sexual practices that we, as a society, have deemed to be very destructive to the individuals on the receiving end of that 'passion'.

[unixgoddess]

> the ones being sexualized

when it comes to minors, people usually conflate rape and sex, as if having sex with a minor must necessarily be rape.

Many if not all children are ready for sex when they are around 9. I for one would have loved doing sexual things with older women I found attractive, I remember very clearly daydreaming of this.