[rebelde]

Why write your thoughts on the web when AI/GPT is only going to steal and paraphrase it? Nobody sees what you write and everybody thinks GPT is the genius.

[cableshaft]

Just saw something today where the wife of TotalBiscuit, who died of cancer several years ago, is contemplating deleting all of his Youtube videos[1] to prevent people from using A.I. to make him say terrible things.

Did give me a bit of a pause about putting stuff out there. Although I think I'd still rather have my data be used for training A.I. than not (and I probably am already in the training data anyway, I believe I saw that one of the datasets it's been trained on was Hacker News comments).

[1]: https://kotaku.com/totalbiscuit-john-bain-youtube-delete-vid...

[Dalewyn]

Given that the "AI" community apparently couldn't care less about treating intellectual property rights with wanton abandon, I can't say such a response would be unwarranted.

Dire circumstances call for drastic measures, as they say.

[jeroenhd]

Quite a sad, but completely understandable reaction. The saddest part is probably that it's already too late to prevent people from generating TB deepfakes and other content. Cloning a voice takes half an hour if clips now, any downloaded live stream should be enough already.

It's sad to see AI on a path to destroy years of collected internet content. I expect the internet archive to receive loads of takedown requests in the coming months and years because of this.

[nodemaker]

I would like to make the opposite argument. All these days I didnt share my thoughts because everyone else was and my voice would be drowned in a sea of voices. In post GPT4 era its easier to stand out if your thoughts are actually original and refreshing because most people sound like their thoughts have been written by GPT.

To rephrase it another way, the reign of the conformist ends here and the reign of the contrarian begins now.

[throwaway675309]

A lovely sentiment in theory, but Waldo is still perniciously difficult to find even though he dresses differently from every other character.

[EamonnMR]

Or just the reign of brevity. Sheer volume is no longer impressive.

[lupire]

Your ideas are low probability autocomplete. GPT wants popular ideas, not novel ideas.

[SketchySeaBeast]

That's why I keep my content as low quality as possible - keeps the machines humble.

[ThrowawayTestr]

I'll just run it though an AI upscaler before I run it though the AI language model.

[pklausler]

The general problem of "AI"s being trained on copyrighted content needs to be discussed more thoroughly, I think.

[bluefirebrand]

Every time I bring this up, people accuse me of resisting progress, "the cats out of the bag", etc.

It has been frustrating.

[anonzzzies]

I think it’s not very hard; if the AI companies believe the data they trained on is public domain/open because they scraped it of the internet, then their trained weights must publicly available as well. They cannot claim ‘but training is expensive’; if they do, then they should pay fees for the hosting and storage and writing time of all data they scraped. I prefer open weights as it’s more practical. Your weights have a sliver of GPL source in it? Well that infected the entire thing as GPL does: it is ours now too!

[noogle]

The current (legal) answer is "unclear". There are indications that training is fine, but producing and using the generated content is questionable at least. As many IP issues, it will solved only when someone will try that in court and go all the way until a verdict. Some cases are actually being processed but it might take years to get an answer.

[antibasilisk]

Copyright's been dead since the internet was born. I really do think it's the least of our problems when it comes to abstract reasoning engines.

[Swizec]

Becoming part of the cultural lexicon is the ultimate goal of thought leadership.

Just look at how many people say stuff like “Two women can’t make a baby in 4.5 months”. Someone (Brooks) had to invent, write down, and popularize that analogy.

[raincole]

Why write your thoughts on the web when other humans are going to steal and paraphrase it? I mean... you're on HN. Don't tell me you didn't notice people often regurgitate tech influencers like Paul Graham and Joel Spolsky's thoughts.

[Mordisquitos]

Anonymous people regurgitate the thoughts of well-known individuals such as Paul Graham and Joel Spolsky. The fact that their thoughts are regurgitated is a testament to how well known they are already and how much their content is read by other people. Nobody is going to steal their limelight only on the basis of paraphrasing their ideas. However, if someone does write original ideas of their own, they may gain some notoriety for themselves.

Now imagine that Paul Graham and Joel Spolsky were able to read everything being written by every anonymous unknown on the internet, and create content paraphrasing any and every original thought that was created by anonymous individuals at will. How do the original creators of these thoughts have any chance to succeed on their own merit, if Paul Graham and Joel Spolsky (who everyone knows already as sources of ideas) are able to write the same stuff as soon as the anonymous person has made it public?

[slg]

Imagine a friend asks for help in a class. You can either spend some time and try to teach them the subject or let them copy off you during the exam. The former generally feels good despite taking more effort. The latter often feels bad even if it doesn't impact you negatively in any way and helps your classmate more than if you did nothing.

The human to human connection that a blog or social media conversation creates feels a lot more like teaching your classmate while the AI feels a lot more like someone cheating off your work. Plus the AI didn't even bother to get your approval before copying from you. The whole thing feels ethically compromised regardless of the ultimate result.

[JohnFen]

This was the place I reached. I'm not concerned about "stealing", exactly, but I don't want to contribute to this technology.

I think my days of sharing things freely on the web are over.

[whywhywhywhy]

So maybe only post dumb and incorrect information.

Train it to be wrong on purpose, for a joke.

[olalonde]

Because you can get points on Hacker News.