I agree with the OP that US devs are producing more value - pound for pound - than European based devs, if what we mean by value is money, and I'm 30 something year old European.
The reasons are that the European dev is probably working for a business that's addressing a much smaller market, and that the smaller market probably has a much lower GDP per capita than the US.
It doesn't mean the American dev is better at what they do, or smarter.
> from which they can afford to pay the devs 3x more doesn't actually mean they create 3x more value.
If these two companies are of equal sizings, or if we can find a ratio/cost per engineer/etc that we can say is "equal enough", and we say that Company A makes 3x what Company B makes using this metric, wouldn't it be right to say that Company A's employees produce 3x the profit of Company B?
Given, Company A has a stronghold on the market, government handouts, etc, that are _causing the 3x profit increase_. I for sure agree with that. But, at the end of the day, isn't the employee, the ones producing the output, generating output worth more than Company B?
European work culture is extremely weak. Where are all the European tech giants? The only reason American companies hire Europeans is because 1/3rd of the cost justifies the low productivity.
> Nope, he says this because Americans have a thing called the Protestant work ethic, whereas many Europeans have exactly the opposite of this.
This divergence is greatly exaggerated. Where do you think those hard working Protestants came from?
The main reason European countries are not as wealthy as the US is that they are all much smaller, and linguistic, cultural, and bureaucratic differences make pan European business much harder. You generally have very few large companies that operate in multiple European countries, in comparison to the US.
onion2k|3 years ago
(I'm 45.)
rocketbop|3 years ago
I agree with the OP that US devs are producing more value - pound for pound - than European based devs, if what we mean by value is money, and I'm 30 something year old European.
The reasons are that the European dev is probably working for a business that's addressing a much smaller market, and that the smaller market probably has a much lower GDP per capita than the US.
It doesn't mean the American dev is better at what they do, or smarter.
beardedetim|3 years ago
If these two companies are of equal sizings, or if we can find a ratio/cost per engineer/etc that we can say is "equal enough", and we say that Company A makes 3x what Company B makes using this metric, wouldn't it be right to say that Company A's employees produce 3x the profit of Company B?
Given, Company A has a stronghold on the market, government handouts, etc, that are _causing the 3x profit increase_. I for sure agree with that. But, at the end of the day, isn't the employee, the ones producing the output, generating output worth more than Company B?
pb7|3 years ago
lukas099|3 years ago
edu|3 years ago
Der_Einzige|3 years ago
Sorry europoors, reap what you sow with your "we don't live to work we work to live" and strong social safety nets.
rocketbop|3 years ago
This divergence is greatly exaggerated. Where do you think those hard working Protestants came from?
The main reason European countries are not as wealthy as the US is that they are all much smaller, and linguistic, cultural, and bureaucratic differences make pan European business much harder. You generally have very few large companies that operate in multiple European countries, in comparison to the US.