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The Social Radars: Conversations with Startup Founders

142 points| pg | 3 years ago |thesocialradars.com

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mdorazio|3 years ago

Any chance they break out of the survivorship bias bubble in their discussions? I largely stopped listening to Acquired because of that. I want more stories about startups that failed while doing seemingly the right thing, and fewer about startups that probably got lucky.

csallen|3 years ago

Ironically, this perspective itself is a result of survivorship bias.

There are seemingly so few podcasts and publications about failure stories that it must be a rare and unique idea to start one, right? But the reality is that it's a very common idea. I feature success stories on my podcast (Indie Hackers), and I've been getting requests for "more failure stories" since day #1. I've tried them, and I've also seen a lot of competing websites and podcasts try them. And guess what?

They aren't popular.

It turns out, there's a lot of failure-based content out there. It just never survives or thrives enough to get popular. Hence the survivorship bias illusion that nobody is making failure content.

My theory as to why is simple to understand if you understand basic story structure: Every success story is actually made up of a bunch of small failure stories followed by a small success story: fail-fail-fail-win. People greatly prefer to hear the failure stories of those who eventually succeeded, than to hear the failure stories of those who never did. Not only does it make for a better overall story, but it's more effective to learn from. So I think people are right to prefer this.

JohnFen|3 years ago

> I want more stories about startups that failed

Yes, this!

Success stories are fun and all, but there's not much that can be usefully learned from them. The failures are where the lessons are.

"Make your own mistakes, not someone else's."

dang|3 years ago

I agree that failures are interesting, but the bias problem doesn't go away. Reasons people give for why they failed are no more reliable than reasons they give for why they succeeded (or anything else, for that matter). We're good story-tellers and bad reason-knowers.

I often have this feeling when reading "why my startup failed" blog posts (how do they know?!). Which doesn't mean they aren't worth reading!

michaeladas|3 years ago

Any podcast recs of interviews and stories like this (i.e. podcasts about start ups that took the "right path" but still failed?)

whatshisface|3 years ago

Nobody does the right thing. You will not find any startup, future success or failure, that is doing everything the right way. Many times the difference between success and failure is who got lucky and never had to pay for the stuff they skipped over, and who got the predictable consequences.

peoplenotbots|3 years ago

start up founders suffer from a sophistic case of protagonist syndrome.

s1k3|3 years ago

You know what I’d listen to is a podcast of just normal founders. I’d love to just hear about people like me, not the 1% on either side.

slugiscool99|3 years ago

so true - way more to learn from failures than successes

theGnuMe|3 years ago

Startups succeed in spite of themselves.

rileyphone|3 years ago

First pg submission in over 3 years. The things you do for love!

breck|3 years ago

Such a great podcast.

I was living in North Carolina at the time Gmail came out and remember having so much FOMO when it launched and I didn't have an account. Turns out—no one had an account yet! Love the speed that PB operates with.