[throwaway1851]

If we continue on this trajectory, I have a suspicion that the big players will increasingly cry “danger!” and, as Sam Altman has done already, call for government regulation of AI. Having potential upstarts buried in red tape is how monopolies and oligopolies sustain their positions in a lot of industries.

[dragonwriter]

Altman and OpenAI have been stoking AI safety fears and using it as a selling point for narrow control and regulation since the same time they stopped pretending the “Open” in their name was meaningful. It’s clearly central to their business strategy. The best way to keep a head start is to use the government to put up roadblocks for your competitors.

[jpgvm]

I think their realisation was that the models themselves aren't actually that difficult to replicate even in absence of patent or description.

i.e they can't adequately defend their business with trade secrets.

Patents probably wouldn't work either because the structures are too easily recombined to bypass any conceivable patent that would be enforceable.

That said I think all of this is actually emblematic of a deeper problem with the space which is that none of the LLM stuff recently has been groundbreaking but rather just just continual refinement of a given branch. We aren't seeing evolution, just increasing either number of parameters or quality thereof + additional context. Which is why it was so easy for other folks to make the same progress in similar time periods.

Time will tell if we are about to slam into a local maxima or if someone finds a significant evolution or better yet stumbles on a way to properly combine LLM for context + NLP with traditional AI/logic/expert systems to engineer something that actually thinks and learns rather than regurgitating statistics.

[seydor]

We can also start suing NotOpenAI in many countries for copyright infringment stuff in their trainig data. They need to come up with a 'social contract' for AI models, in the same way that google made a synergistic relationship with publishers in the past

[bootsmann]

Actually, using public but copyrighted data is explicitly allowed by the digital single market directive in the EU, precisely to allow new entrants to enter the market and to keep big tech from gatekeeping the access to competitive data.

[Sharlin]

Some of those industries being heavily regulated for very good reasons.

[londons_explore]

Although there are also typically very good reasons not to regulate the industry, which will never be discovered if the industry is regulated.

For example, imagine that engines were regulated earlier, because steam engines could blow up and kill people. That's a good reason to regulate steam engines. But then we probably would have never invented other engine types like gasoline engines and jet engines. With that, we'd never have invented planes or flight, because a regulation steam engine would have been too heavy.

[oceanplexian]

The problem with "heavy regulation" for anything to do with tech is it puts you at a technological disadvantage.

The only thing AI regulation would do is hand AI supremacy to China. This is the case with almost every other technological development that we kneecap ourselves with, nuclear power, high speed rail, etc. We waste endless energy on bureaucracy while China is building.

[seydor]

These are not the good ones

[thrown123098]

Oh no someone said something mean on Twitter. How ever will we survive.

The only reason why propaganda is so effective is because life is so terrible. No one bought USSR propaganda in the 60s that the US was terrible because people remembered growing up without electricity. A majority believe Russian propaganda about the US today because life expectancy in Thailand is higher.

[davesque]

The folks at OpenAI have already started doing this. Just the other day, their chief scientist was making noises along those lines.

[petra]

Can AI really be regulated When China could release an app?

[ChatGTP]

I don't think China would release an app, it's a country which highly values censorship and hiding information, why would they want ChaGPT like systems that aren't heavily censored / broken from entering the public sphere.

[ftxbro]

It sounds like regulatory capture!

[zer00eyz]

“You don't need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities and fraternities, They're on the same Boards of directors, they're in the same country clubs, they have like interests. They don't need to call a meeting, they know what's good for them and they're getting it.” -George Carlin

[reilly3000]

I feel like this thread is about to get disappeared lol.