[gorpomon]

Downvotes shall come and that's ok-- but it's really interesting how radically different the experience of filling gas is for men and women. I've had multiple conversations with female friends where they discuss factoring in personal safety and the chance of being bothered while filling gas. It's a captive situation and hard to leave quickly. Aside from the odd request for money, I don't get bothered while filling gas, but that's not true for many many people.

[nickthegreek]

Interestingly enough, if a women can charge at home and doesn't do alot of distant driving, they can cut gas stations out of their life completely with an EV along with predatory mechanics during routine maintenance.

[Spivak]

That second bit is a criminally underserved market. It's fucking stupid that I have to call one of my guy friends to go to the mechanic with me and pretend to be my boyfriend so I don't get ripped off.

If anyone figures out how to align the incentives you'll have a customer base basically immediately.

[lm28469]

> but it's really interesting how radically different the experience of filling gas is for men and women

A lot of things are different, walking at night alone, going for a run in a secluded place, asking random people for direction/a light/&c, ...

[angmarsbane]

Whenever people talk about restaurants completely replacing staff with robots/kiosks I get the same safety fears. I wouldn’t stop at a McDonald’s on a road trip if it didn’t have any staff. More people, like staff, equal more social pressure for potential bad players to act appropriately.

[kube-system]

In my experience, class and income demographics are more significant in this regard than gender.

Even the idea of being "bothered" while filling gas suggests a certain social norm that varies based on which social norms you subscribe to.

[beerandt]

Which is a reason to put them in places where the occupants can get out in a relatively safe place and either be productive (store parking lots) or entertained (zoo).

Yet those are where most 1st gen chargers were placed, and are the same places the quoted woman in the article is complaining about.

Yes they're less convenient, but so is charging an EV (compared to refueling). Until charging only takes 5-10 mins, the best way to offset inconvenience of time is to place chargers in places where you can multitask.

[fullstop]

My wife won't go to certain grocery stores at night because the lighting is poor and she doesn't feel safe.

[JustSomeNobody]

Does HN just not pay attention? Women get hit on, talked up, harassed, pretty much every place they go. Men seem to think it is their right to do this. So, yeah, women want to feel safe.

[dsq]

I don't recall harassing anyone, whether near a charging station or otherwise. Please qualify these sweeping statements. Not “men” in general.

[GiorgioG]

As a man, I’ve had plenty of people come up to me asking for money. I don’t feel any safer being a man in that situation.

[ineedasername]

Maybe you don’t feel particularly safe, but how do you know that many women don’t feel even less safe than your feelings of being unsafe?

[fullstop]

It seems impossible to come to this conclusion if you've never been a woman.

[pwinnski]

You may not feel safe, but "safer" is a comparison word, and I'm not sure on what basis you claim to feel as unsafe as a woman would in the same situation.

[jeffwask]

Do you also fear being sexually assaulted every time you walk to your car in a dark parking garage?

Are you often sexually harassed in public spaces?

An un-housed person asking you for cash at a gas station doesn't put your experience on par with what women experience every day.

I knew the answer in the article was safety before I read it. We live in a society where women feel unsafe in normal situations us men never even consider.

Be better.

[unixgoddess]

downvotes shall come because this is HN, but that's ok... perhaps it's time to admit that modern western ideals are not compatible with the natural laws embedded in our body by several hundred thousand years of evolution...

[philipov]

Being civilized is about rising above our base natural instincts.

[jackmott42]

Which ideal specifically are you referring to? Also which natural laws? Are their any natural laws or just natural tendencies?

[shrimp_emoji]

If nature is unjust, change nature!

https://laboriacuboniks.net/manifesto/xenofeminism-a-politic...

[yreg]

What? I don't want to misinterpret you, so what are you actually saying? Because it sounds like an argument to switch to a Handmaid's Tale-like society.

[JustSomeNobody]

Oh, because you're horny, you think you have a right to chat up every woman you see in every situation you're in?

Time and a place.