[feifan]

The part that Siri is bad at will be commoditized — someone will open-source a GPT-4-level language model. And Apple's moat will be being able to run that on-device with all the attendant benefits (privacy, zero marginal cost to the company, availability in more scenarios, etc)

[jocaal]

You realize that these language models are like 100's of GBs in size and consumes 10's of GB's of memory. Last time I checked, apple still ships their products with less than the market average in both of these specs. If you want a local running LLM on an iphone, get ready to sell a kidney.

[l33tman]

You can today run an LLM vastly better than Siri on a few GB of RAM using Llama 7B at 4-bit quantization and alpaca.cpp. This is moving so fast, every day there is something new coming. There won't be any moat in LLMs soon or even in dedicated HW as it turns out you don't need that much for "basic intelligence".

Note I'm not suggesting you can pack the full knowledgebase of humanity into those 2GB of RAM, but the key feature of an edge AI is simply to understand instructions, something Siri and Ok Google struggle with at best..

[ithkuil]

(assuming we're not talking about the near future)

I think this can be a scenario of converging incentives: on one side large models will incentivized hardware manufacturers to increase the memory available on the devices, while on the other sides model developers will be incentivized to trim the fat on the models and devise compression mechanisms that don't compromise quality too much.

It's not unthinkable to imagine a hand held device able to run full inference locally a few device generations in the future.

[arthurcolle]

yeah, makes sense. At least these integrations at a lower level are happening now. I just can't help but feel disappointed that we didn't see earlier cohesion at least a few years ago, maybe around the early or pre-M1 era when there were all those A7, A8 whatever SoCs. But in retrospect, that is basically 10 minutes ago in the history of the universe so yeah, I'm just overly excitable!