All in all the northern part of the country got relatively little damage. The front line in the Donbass looks like this, pretty much nuked down to basements:
Areas like Marinka have received kilotons of conventional artillery. Z-channels on Telegram call this process "city-cide" (gradocyd, something like that).
I've been to Ukraine recently and what's really heartwarming is the amount of reconstruction going on in the Kyiv Oblast. Many of the bridges north of the city are almost rebuilt. They were blown up to slow down the Russian armored assault.
I love the project, but the whole premise is broken. People brainwashed into supporting Russia do not deny the scale of devastation and human tragedy. They just attribute it to the Ukrainian military.
So, while documenting the terror is a commendable thing to do, it will not change anyone's mind. Zombies will simply take it as evidence that their propaganda was right all along. "See for yourself how ruthless these Ukrainians neonazies are, killing their own people just to spite the big Russian brother."
>People brainwashed into supporting Russia do not deny the scale of devastation and human tragedy. They just attribute it to the Ukrainian military.
So I completely disagree here, because it's not an either or. You're right that people brainwashed into supporting Russia will, in certain circumstances, accept that the destruction is real but attribute it to Ukraine. And I completely agree with your pessimism.
But the logic of propaganda, and of a brain consumed by propaganda, is a hall of mirrors full of contradictions. Where convenient, and where possible, the scale of destruction will be denied, and where it can't be denied, it will be explained away.
Propaganda can't be defeated by disputing individual one-off statements, the totality of the system of propaganda has to be shown to be so full of contradictions that it takes more effort to sustain than it does to accept the truth.
> They just attribute it to the Ukrainian military
Not always, often they just say its an unfortunate consequence of the war.
I also think the use of "brainwashing" here is inappropriate. The issue here is divergent sources and selective sampling mostly, not some systematic rewriting of how they process evidence.
Give anyone access to just the information your average Russian is fed and they'll reach a similar conclusion.
> Zombies will simply take it as evidence that their propaganda was right all along.
Dehumanisation of enemies is as old as the propaganda, and you are doing here exactly that. But to your defense, at least you used the term Zombie instead of Ann officially blessed Orc.
Street 14, Kharkiv. I remember battles in that area. I remember when some of the houses there got hit. One night specifically, I was on a base a ways away, and I heard one of the loudest explosions I’d heard during the war. The curtains in our room even lifted, halfway to the ceiling.
I suspect the intensifying divisions in our society are also a result of Russian/Chinese psyops. The "post-truth" era is just a prelude to a greater war the west will eventually have to fight against them.
We must give more powers to the FBI to remove misinformation. Not only on Twitter, but in schools, grocery stores, and kindergartens. Just hammer the truth through their thick skulls 24/7.
War is undoubtedly one of the most catastrophic events that can occur in any society. It brings about unimaginable destruction and devastation, leaving behind irreparable damage to both human life and infrastructure. Innocent civilians, including women and children, often become the primary victims of war, leading to severe physical and emotional trauma. In addition to the loss of life, war can also lead to the displacement of millions of people, causing untold suffering and hardship. Furthermore, the economic consequences of war can be severe, as countries are forced to divert their resources towards military spending, leaving essential needs such as healthcare and education underfunded. Finally, the impact of war extends far beyond the battlefield, as it can leave deep scars on a society's psyche, leading to long-term social and psychological trauma. In short, war is an utterly destructive force that brings nothing but pain, suffering, and despair to those affected by it.
Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.
Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?
Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?
Father Mulcahy: Sinners, I believe.
Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell. War is chock full of them — little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for some of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.
-M.A.S.H. Season 5, Episode 21, The General's Practitioner.
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I spent some time talking to groups of denialists. Conversations are something like:
- Hello, your creed is not real, because [some facts].
- These facts are not true, it's fake created by [nasa, globalists, etc]
- It's not fake, because [some facts about facts]
- You get paid by a [globalists, nasa, etc]
In some cases, some of my "imagined characteristics" are used to accuse me of something. My profile does not have this information, the person takes it out of nowhere.
- You are defending [male, gay, female] because you are [gay, male, female, cis, etc]
At the end of the day, the facts don't matter, it's important to stand up for something:
-Your data is wrong, it's not 53% of x or y, it's 0.3%.
- 0.3% is important anyway, it is not changed.
In the case, 0.3% is irrelevant.
Goals change.
- See, some facts:
- And, about [something else, not related to the lecture]
Basically, I see three types of denialists:
- The lonely person looking for some community. The community replaces other traditional groups like the church. These people will defend the creed, often without understanding it. It seems to be 80% of all denialists.
- Rich people with some Christian/capitalist guilt.
- People with a real mental problem
- People who know the truth but earn some money from the creed. These people keep denial alive by creating factoids when they can.
I don't talk to these people anymore. I don't know how to help them and in the end it can be very stressful and sad.
How many streets are in here? It seems that the street view is limited to a few blocks in each case.
When were the photos added? How can people add stuff from Mariupol, for instance?
This kind of stuff is absolutely needed, but regularly uploaded by people on the ground, and showing the up-to-date situation. One should be able to see any conflict zone, including Sanaa Yemen this way.
There is a ton of data around American interventions overseas over the past 20 years, the problem is western media doesn't show any of it and so it's invisible for most Americans. Americans did the same thing to multiple countries that we're seeing in the streetviews in OP
It really does seem like a one sided war. Russia is slowly destroying Ukraine but no real effect to Russia. They're slowly ramping up their production of weapons. Russia can do this for another 10 years until Ukraine's economy is slowly suffocated.
IMO to end the war, Russia needs a hard lesson that it can't keep on bombing another soviergn nation and expect rest of world to be chill.
Unfortunately because they have nuclear weapons, Putin knows he can get away with almost anything.
Russia is sending guys into nightclubs on weekend nights in Moscow and St Pete to snatch able-bodied men off of dance floors and forcibly toss them into the busses to replenish their slave armies.
I don't know how long that is a viable strategy. Then again, I don't know how long Ukraine's defense is viable.
Russia is a gas station that can't sell gas. It is being bankrupted. They can't make stuff without German engineers repairing their German machinery. Russia might not last the year. Look at their own ministry of finance budget numbers.
I have otherwise intelligent friends who have unfortunately become immersed in Russian propaganda. With a straight face they will say that everything we see out of Ukraine is a lie. That it is Ukraine bombing their own cities just to make Russia look bad.
It's absolutely fantastic to me how people can just suspend reality and start believing the most absurd notions.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Ukraine bombing its own cities to make Russia “look bad” is such a claim. As is most conspiratorial claims regarding Covid, and so on ad nauseam.
I think that if you see “intelligent” people that have a hard time navigating a scientific and methodological way of finding out the truth, such as when you discard these extraordinary claims due to the lack of extraordinary evidence, maybe you need to re-evaluate what “intelligent” actually means, or how you qualify it.
The most intelligent people I’ve ever met are filled with doubt, because they have the skill I just mentioned. Faced with extraordinary claims they respond “that’s strange, I wonder if it can be substantiated” — they do not respond by fervently trying to convince anyone they meet that something REALLY crazy is going on and we all need to figure out the “real” state of things IMMEDIATELY without regard for method and process.
What I might agree with you in, is that conspiratorial thinking much like alcoholism or gambling addiction, obviously CAN “infect” very intelligent people, because they are at the end of the day just people.
But an intelligent person with a mental illness does not make them less intelligent, nor does it make that mental illness more “real”.
The real and fundamental problem underneath all of this is the so-called “post truth society” we’re increasingly moving into, where what’s actually true doesn’t seem to matter anymore, and people just feel like they’re combatants in a war of ideas, and the more they push their ideas regardless of their truthfulness, the more true that idea becomes.
That might be true for ideology, or cultural movements, but it’s not true for investigative journalism and scientific exploration.
Here in the Netherlands such voices exist, but they are quite fringe and limited to the usual crowd. In part this is due to the downing of flight MH17 in 2014 by a Russian surface-to-air missile fired by a Russian crew operating in the Donbas to support the separatists (not with the intent of shooting down a commercial passenger plane obviously). The deaths of almost 200 Dutch and the subsequent investigation and trial leave little room for doubting that Russia is the aggressor here.
The other one that seems common seems to be a belief that if only you cede as much territory as possible to anyone who threatens you as soon as possible, then you can prevent a war and surely they won't come back and ask for more.
The real mind-hack is that people believe it's exclusively one or the other, and argue vociferously against the other side. George Orwell once wrote of the Spanish Civil War:
"Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories, and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’."
This has always happened, and it's still happening. Anybody remember the Ghost of Kyiv, or the 'fuck you' surrender?
No, 'everything we see out of Ukraine' is not a lie (which in itself is a false dichotomy: we've seen plenty of 'facts' framed in a way that's explicitly misleading), but the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence of the past ~year, not to mention the rest of human history, suggests that a lot of it probably is.
Ukraine is indeed firing artillary at their own cities, but not to make Russia look bad, but to defeat the Russian forces inside those pretty much abandoned cities.
In many cases it's a form of a psychological defense - it's way too difficult to live in a reality where your country is killing droves of innocent people so your brain can switch to the "let's pretend that it's a giant lie and continue on" mode. It's the path of the least resistance: "we are the good guys, they are the bad guys, I can live with myself, all is good".
You can shut down someones rational mind simply by getting them deeply emotional or stressed. Any primal emotion works: fear, lust, anger, anxiety, shame, etc.
Are they Russians living in Russia? A good friend of mine is Russian and from his recent trip to Moscow to see his relatives his conclusion was they are helpless when it comes to changing their optics on the invasion of Ukraine. And these are highly educated people, including lawyers and doctors, definitely not dumb. Growing up under a dictatorial regime myself I know how effective the influx of propaganda can be, combine that with high levels of paranoia (the west is out to get us!) and distrust among family members, friends and neighbors (you learn how to keep your opinions to your self because you never know who's going to snitch) and what you get is a large portion of the population which doesn't belong to the stereotypical undecuated and easily manipulated bunch supporting a regime involved in war crimes. Not rare at all.
Ah yes, the false flag accusation. I've noticed it's almost always the first thing propagandists turn to, probably because it's effective and basically unfalsifiable. It allows you to project your prior beliefs onto the actors in any situation.
Lenin: Oh we're not establishing peasant proprietorship, it is, you see there are poor peasants and rich peasants and we stirred up the poor peasants against the rich peasants and they soon hang them from the nearest tree. *cackle*
It predates modern day Russian, Soviets, or even Bolsheviks. It goes back to Mensheviks who initially developed such psyops to get into and hold power. They had their own inspirations of course but this is really where this evil exploded. It isn't some big secret - the ends justify the means, so lie, make false equivalencies, get people all stirred up and questioning reality and sow distrust as much as possible. Once you get in power you'll put things in order what could possibly go wrong? Things are dire and can't get any worse, so get in power by all means necessary.
With the backdrop of the Cold War they turned it outwards, if you aren't familiar you can get a good feel for the vibe from any Adam Curtis documentary, for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
The problem is that once trust collapses and nobody believes in the media, the institutions, and everybody is aware that people lie -- the trick really is to get you to lie also, even a little bit -- a society can get completely untethered from reality.
> It's absolutely fantastic to me how people can just suspend reality and start believing the most absurd notions.
A lot of conspiracies do end up true, coverups are a thing, who can you trust? What even is real?
It is not that your friends are bad people or lack critical reasoning skills. They got shaken out of solid ground and now are in a question-everything mindset.
What is oddest about this one, which I have not heard before btw, is that Russia claims (boasts) of bombing Ukrainian cities, especially the electricity infrastructure.
What is Putin asking exactly, is there anything the West/Ukraine could do (or could have done) for negotiating an end to the war? Some western leaders such as Macron have met with Putin in the early stage of the conflict, it wasn't clear to me what exactly they were trying to negotiate.
That there is no such thing as Ukrainian people, only Russians, and Ukraine must be a subject of Russia and Ukrainian identity should be made illegal. Not sure where you'd start negotiating something like that if you were Ukrainian, though.
Everyone should look around for 'undeniable' signs of war profiteering. We need more diplomacy to move towards peace and prevent the exploitation of conflicts for financial gains. Instead what we see is sites like this where only thing that they do is demonise one side while showcasing horrors of war. While other hand of humble sponsors throw even more military to make more destruction.
Julian Assange speaking in 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war" https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1581698912447975424
Nova Ukraine is a 501(c)3 registered non-profit organization (EIN 465335435) dedicated to raising awareness about Ukraine in the US and throughout the world and providing humanitarian aid to Ukraine.
Here is the thing about NGO's
In India, for instance, the funded NGO boom began in the late 1980s and 1990s. It coincided with the opening of India's markets to neoliberalism. At the time, the Indian state, in keeping with the requirements of structural adjustment, was withdrawing funding from rural development, agriculture, energy transport, and public health. As the state abdicated its traditional role, NGOs moved in to work in these very areas. The difference, of course, is that the funds available to them are a minuscule fraction of the actual cut in public spending. Most large funded NGOs are financed and patronized by aid and develop agencies, which in turn are funded by Western governments, the World Bank, the UN, and some multinational corporations. Though they may not be the very same agencies, they are certainly part of the same loose political formation that oversees the neoliberal project and demands the slash in government spending in the first place. Why should these agencies fund NGOs? Could it be just old-fashioned missionary zeal, guilt? It's a little more than that. NGOs give the impression that they are filling the vacuum created by a retreating state. And they are, but in a materially inconsequential way. Their real contribution is that they diffuse political anger and dole out as aid or benevolence what people ought to have by right. They alter the public psyche. They turn people into dependent victims and blunt the edges of political resistance. NGOs form a sort of buffer between the government and the public, between empire and its subjects. They have become arbitrators, the interpreters, the facilitators. In the long run, NGOs are accountable to their funders, not to the people they work among. They're what botanists would call an indicator species. It's almost as though the greater the devastation caused by neoliberalism, the greater the outbreak of NGOs. Nothing illustrates this more poignantly than the phenomenon of the US preparing to invade a country and simultaneously readying NGOs to go in and clean up the devastation. In order to make sure their funding is not jeopardized and that the governments of the countries they work in will allow them to function, NGOs have to present their work in a shallow framework, more or less shorn of a political or historical context. – Arundhati Roy, the Indian writer, about the NGO influence in India.
Same thing is happening in Georgia[1], Lybia[2]
[1] Radio War Nerd EP 369 — Georgia Protests & NGO Colonialism, feat. Sopo Japaridze
[+] [-] H8crilA|2 years ago|reply
https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10ee9at/destroyed_...
Areas like Marinka have received kilotons of conventional artillery. Z-channels on Telegram call this process "city-cide" (gradocyd, something like that).
I've been to Ukraine recently and what's really heartwarming is the amount of reconstruction going on in the Kyiv Oblast. Many of the bridges north of the city are almost rebuilt. They were blown up to slow down the Russian armored assault.
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So, while documenting the terror is a commendable thing to do, it will not change anyone's mind. Zombies will simply take it as evidence that their propaganda was right all along. "See for yourself how ruthless these Ukrainians neonazies are, killing their own people just to spite the big Russian brother."
[+] [-] glenstein|2 years ago|reply
So I completely disagree here, because it's not an either or. You're right that people brainwashed into supporting Russia will, in certain circumstances, accept that the destruction is real but attribute it to Ukraine. And I completely agree with your pessimism.
But the logic of propaganda, and of a brain consumed by propaganda, is a hall of mirrors full of contradictions. Where convenient, and where possible, the scale of destruction will be denied, and where it can't be denied, it will be explained away.
Propaganda can't be defeated by disputing individual one-off statements, the totality of the system of propaganda has to be shown to be so full of contradictions that it takes more effort to sustain than it does to accept the truth.
[+] [-] concordDance|2 years ago|reply
Not always, often they just say its an unfortunate consequence of the war.
I also think the use of "brainwashing" here is inappropriate. The issue here is divergent sources and selective sampling mostly, not some systematic rewriting of how they process evidence.
Give anyone access to just the information your average Russian is fed and they'll reach a similar conclusion.
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Dehumanisation of enemies is as old as the propaganda, and you are doing here exactly that. But to your defense, at least you used the term Zombie instead of Ann officially blessed Orc.
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But is not Undeniable.
I spent some time talking to groups of denialists. Conversations are something like:
- Hello, your creed is not real, because [some facts]. - These facts are not true, it's fake created by [nasa, globalists, etc] - It's not fake, because [some facts about facts] - You get paid by a [globalists, nasa, etc]
In some cases, some of my "imagined characteristics" are used to accuse me of something. My profile does not have this information, the person takes it out of nowhere.
- You are defending [male, gay, female] because you are [gay, male, female, cis, etc]
At the end of the day, the facts don't matter, it's important to stand up for something:
-Your data is wrong, it's not 53% of x or y, it's 0.3%. - 0.3% is important anyway, it is not changed. In the case, 0.3% is irrelevant.
Goals change.
- See, some facts:
- And, about [something else, not related to the lecture]
Basically, I see three types of denialists:
- The lonely person looking for some community. The community replaces other traditional groups like the church. These people will defend the creed, often without understanding it. It seems to be 80% of all denialists.
- Rich people with some Christian/capitalist guilt.
- People with a real mental problem
- People who know the truth but earn some money from the creed. These people keep denial alive by creating factoids when they can.
I don't talk to these people anymore. I don't know how to help them and in the end it can be very stressful and sad.
[+] [-] EGreg|2 years ago|reply
When were the photos added? How can people add stuff from Mariupol, for instance?
This kind of stuff is absolutely needed, but regularly uploaded by people on the ground, and showing the up-to-date situation. One should be able to see any conflict zone, including Sanaa Yemen this way.
Because otherwise we just get videos like this, rather than visualizations of the actual damage and the more recent updates: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoZsjagnKPs
[+] [-] Tade0|2 years ago|reply
If not for the real people that I met who fled to safety, this would feel almost like some kind of bizarre and cruel sporting event.
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IMO to end the war, Russia needs a hard lesson that it can't keep on bombing another soviergn nation and expect rest of world to be chill.
Unfortunately because they have nuclear weapons, Putin knows he can get away with almost anything.
[+] [-] sneak|2 years ago|reply
Russia is sending guys into nightclubs on weekend nights in Moscow and St Pete to snatch able-bodied men off of dance floors and forcibly toss them into the busses to replenish their slave armies.
I don't know how long that is a viable strategy. Then again, I don't know how long Ukraine's defense is viable.
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It's absolutely fantastic to me how people can just suspend reality and start believing the most absurd notions.
[+] [-] hnarn|2 years ago|reply
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Ukraine bombing its own cities to make Russia “look bad” is such a claim. As is most conspiratorial claims regarding Covid, and so on ad nauseam.
I think that if you see “intelligent” people that have a hard time navigating a scientific and methodological way of finding out the truth, such as when you discard these extraordinary claims due to the lack of extraordinary evidence, maybe you need to re-evaluate what “intelligent” actually means, or how you qualify it.
The most intelligent people I’ve ever met are filled with doubt, because they have the skill I just mentioned. Faced with extraordinary claims they respond “that’s strange, I wonder if it can be substantiated” — they do not respond by fervently trying to convince anyone they meet that something REALLY crazy is going on and we all need to figure out the “real” state of things IMMEDIATELY without regard for method and process.
What I might agree with you in, is that conspiratorial thinking much like alcoholism or gambling addiction, obviously CAN “infect” very intelligent people, because they are at the end of the day just people.
But an intelligent person with a mental illness does not make them less intelligent, nor does it make that mental illness more “real”.
The real and fundamental problem underneath all of this is the so-called “post truth society” we’re increasingly moving into, where what’s actually true doesn’t seem to matter anymore, and people just feel like they’re combatants in a war of ideas, and the more they push their ideas regardless of their truthfulness, the more true that idea becomes.
That might be true for ideology, or cultural movements, but it’s not true for investigative journalism and scientific exploration.
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"Early in life I had noticed that no event is ever correctly reported in a newspaper, but in Spain, for the first time, I saw newspaper reports which did not bear any relation to the facts, not even the relationship which is implied in an ordinary lie. I saw great battles reported where there had been no fighting, and complete silence where hundreds of men had been killed. I saw troops who had fought bravely denounced as cowards and traitors, and others who had never seen a shot fired hailed as the heroes of imaginary victories, and I saw newspapers in London retailing these lies and eager intellectuals building emotional superstructures over events that had never happened. I saw, in fact, history being written not in terms of what happened but of what ought to have happened according to various ‘party lines’."
This has always happened, and it's still happening. Anybody remember the Ghost of Kyiv, or the 'fuck you' surrender?
No, 'everything we see out of Ukraine' is not a lie (which in itself is a false dichotomy: we've seen plenty of 'facts' framed in a way that's explicitly misleading), but the overwhelming preponderance of the evidence of the past ~year, not to mention the rest of human history, suggests that a lot of it probably is.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4774859/
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Here is Bertrand Russell on his meeting with Vladimir Lenin in 1920: https://youtu.be/6TK9c-caEcw?t=65
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IskraIt predates modern day Russian, Soviets, or even Bolsheviks. It goes back to Mensheviks who initially developed such psyops to get into and hold power. They had their own inspirations of course but this is really where this evil exploded. It isn't some big secret - the ends justify the means, so lie, make false equivalencies, get people all stirred up and questioning reality and sow distrust as much as possible. Once you get in power you'll put things in order what could possibly go wrong? Things are dire and can't get any worse, so get in power by all means necessary.
With the backdrop of the Cold War they turned it outwards, if you aren't familiar you can get a good feel for the vibe from any Adam Curtis documentary, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation
The problem is that once trust collapses and nobody believes in the media, the institutions, and everybody is aware that people lie -- the trick really is to get you to lie also, even a little bit -- a society can get completely untethered from reality.
> It's absolutely fantastic to me how people can just suspend reality and start believing the most absurd notions.
A lot of conspiracies do end up true, coverups are a thing, who can you trust? What even is real?
It is not that your friends are bad people or lack critical reasoning skills. They got shaken out of solid ground and now are in a question-everything mindset.
Very effective. Tragically so.
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Julian Assange speaking in 2011: "The goal is to use Afghanistan to wash money out of the tax bases of the US and Europe through Afghanistan and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. The goal is an endless war, not a successful war" https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1581698912447975424
Here is the thing about NGO's Same thing is happening in Georgia[1], Lybia[2][1] Radio War Nerd EP 369 — Georgia Protests & NGO Colonialism, feat. Sopo Japaridze
[2] 12 Years Since NATO Bombed Libya, Gaddafi’s Ex-Spox. Gives Exclusive Update on Saif Al-Islam Going Underground https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_zFFPMgCeM
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