[shanehoban]

I work with React (NextJS) and from working on things in Vue, and Nuxt - the one thing I absolutely hate about React is state management. If you have never used Pinia[0] (Vuex) with Vue, it's just so, so, so much easier.

I'm using Zustand[1] with React as it is as similar as I can find to Pinia, but the whole hook system is just painful to work with... OK rant over.

I haven't built anything substantial with Svelte, but it's definitely on the radar, and I like how similar it is to Vue single file components (SFC). Hoping state management will be as nice to work with as Pinia is with Vue.

[0] https://pinia.vuejs.org/

[1] https://github.com/pmndrs/zustand

[azangru]

I don't get it. From the example on Stackblitz[0], Pinia looks pretty much like redux, only with multiple stores instead of a single one. As far as I recall, Zustand is similar. What are the advantages of these libraries over redux (especially, the modern and opinionated redux-toolkit)?

0 - https://stackblitz.com/github/piniajs/example-vue-3-vite

[akaike]

I don't get it either. Plus, what exactly is so hard about using hooks? Hooks are awesome.

[shanehoban]

I guess my main gripes are not with the libraries for state management themselves, but how managing rendering after state mutations occur. Pinia and Vue/Nuxt just do this effortlessly. Having to deal with hooks and useEffect in React is just a pain... in my opinion.

[artdigital]

I went through similar troubles, then ended up trying [react-query](https://tanstack.com/query/v3/) and now I don't bother anymore. React Query does everything I need, and if for some reason I still need separate state management, I use useContext for those parts

React Query is a joy to use and clicks very nicely with how I am structuring my apps, building around interacting with async things like APIs

[agumonkey]

It's a strange feel with the vue world. There's a natural simplicity to it. While react often creates slightly(or a lot) complex entities that cause a lot of friction. Vue is often criticized for not being true js in the end etc etc but it doesn't seem to be important when creating something.

[koch]

I agree about pinia. After redux and selectors and reducers and spread syntax and immer and all that stuff, using pinia with vue3 was an absolute joy.

[sergioisidoro]

I have used MobX state tree (MST) with react, and a lot of the concepts are the same with Pinia. Pinia still looks better, I totally agree here.

[Rapzid]

I use MobX with Vue and React; works great; decoupled from any UI library ecosystem and is transferable knowledge.