[justizin]

you think it’s reasonable to put someone in jail for 20 years for logging into a social media website?

also: how are they going to determine that you did? what if you have malware on one of your devices and it accesses something banned?

[tmn]

Jeez they said nothing of the sort. They were pointing out the bill was not about vpns.

If there was a bill about preventing access to child porn. Including using a vpn. Imagine there was a headline ‘vpn users risk 20 years…’. The point is applicable in that fictional case and this case.

[gruez]

>also: how are they going to determine that you did?

Same as any crime. They have to prove that you did it (both that you did the act, and that you intended to do the act) to a judge or a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

> what if you have malware on one of your devices and it accesses something banned?

If your concern is about being framed via malware, there are plenty of existing ways of doing so. eg. laws against CSAM or laws against funding terrorists (hope that the malware doesn't use your paypal session to send money to ISIS!).

[Supermancho]

>>also: how are they going to determine that you did?

>Same as any crime. They have to prove that you did it (both that you did the act, and that you intended to do the act) to a judge or a jury beyond a reasonable doubt.

...after taking your hardware and placing you under house arrest for a time, then putting you under a gag order (national security) while simultaneously setting up preventative monitoring of future VPN use, until the case resolves.

[jcadam]

Don’t worry, enforcement will be highly selective.

[what-no-tests]

Hahahahahaha tell it to the judge!