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bennysonething | 2 years ago

What have we traded away?

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realjhol|2 years ago

Well take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA4u17XAF_A

Look at the way these people lived. The way the dressed. The way the carried themselves. The culture. The customs. The traditions.

It was a thriving high-trust society.

The line has gone up orders of magnitude in the past 100 years, but are the people thriving? Is their nation something to be proud of? Do they have any herritage left to pass on to their children? Is there any optimism in the future we have chosen?

I don't think so.

Can we ever return to the past? - no, but the future we have chosen is a bad one.

bennysonething|2 years ago

The video is mostly of the upper classes and military. Looks nice but I'm pretty certain I'd prefer to live now. I'm actually from n Ireland but live in the Scotland. The class system is definitely a lot more noticeable here than home. I suspect it was way worse back then.

I have some sympathy for your point of view. I'm very much pro union but when I go to England I think I'm glad I don't live there. So crowded. Most of the countryside fenced off. Unlike Scotland were it's possible to escape to the wilderness. Compared to Ireland I think people in England seem depressed.

On the high trust thing, I think part of it may be partly the mass immigration of the 1950s. As an outside observer I think that may have divided the country a bit. To me there doesn't seem to be much integration.

All I'm hoping is that the UK gets over brexit and doesn't stay in terminal decline. The current Tory leadership only seem interested in managing that decline. At least Boris was optimistic and believed Britain was a great place to be.

sw104|2 years ago

It always saddens me to see videos like that.

By contrast, the Britain (or the cities and towns around where I live) of today simply looks like everybody has just given up.