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kriskrunch | 2 years ago

Capitalist societies did more to improve the lives of everyone on Earth than Marxism ever did or ever could.

Have you walked the streets of Havana? I have. Talk about oppressive... And depressing.

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StillBored|2 years ago

Please, being under economic sanctions for longer than most people on this board have been alive has done more to damage Cuba than any kind of political/economic system could have ever managed. Especially given their main industry was tourism and agriculture. The rich Americans that poured dollars into Havana, were cut off along with the supply of manufactured goods, and being a resource poor island made it hard to build an industrial base.

Compared with their more capitalist neighbors who aren't doing great either, might point you to reasons why a whole region, which includes a resource rich continent have been struggling for the past couple hundred years. I will start you off with the wikipedia page on banana republic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republic

kriskrunch|2 years ago

Please! :) The Castro regime made the decision to seize any land from anyone with 50 acres or more. What sort of outcome did Fidel, Che, and Cienfuegos expect? Well, they expected to build thriving trade economy with the Soviets... whoops!

My point is Marxism/Socialism trades one form of oppression for another. Marxism fails to identify poor leadership as oppressive. Socialist systems are run by error prone leaders that crave power and fortune... They are the same people that run corporations under a different flag. Che was killed trying to overthrow another nation to put in Cuban friendly socialist leadership... How is that different from your banana example?

At least in capitalism we can vote with our dollars. We can spend our money on things we believe in. Not with socialism. Good luck finding choice or innovation that the state doesn't support. It literally crushes innovation.

Besides these arguments, what great things came from Marxism that we enjoy today?