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Sig Sauer P320, a popular handgun with police, is firing on its own

20 points| martey | 2 years ago |washingtonpost.com | reply

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[+] 4wsn|2 years ago|reply
For what is self-labelled as an investigation, there's very little technical information. At the very least (in my limitedly qualified opinion) the main factor should be identified; were all the holsters in the reported incidents leather? The only acknowledgement of the topic is brief.

> as it might be in a warped holster or when a finger or object inadvertently brushes the trigger from its side.

> He added that accidental discharges can be caused by improper ammunition, worn holsters or foreign objects working their ways into the trigger guards.

If this occurred also with plastic holsters, then I'd be concerned. But, unsurprisingly, WP decided to not provide this basic information.

If they're all leather, yes. The holster is a critical part of the weapon system. If you're using a leather holster it has a far more limited lifespan than, say, a leather wallet. RTFM.

[+] jacobgorm|2 years ago|reply
The worst part is the stigma surrounding misfires, with some people even losing their jobs. Danish military is also using this gun in the no-safety version, and have had several misfires. The blame always goes on the users, never the gun.
[+] AnonMessiah|2 years ago|reply
There is no discharge of a round with a misfire, at least US terminology, misfiring is synonymous with failure to fire, it happens when the hammer / firing pin is released but the primer is not ignited. There is a stigma around unintentional discharges for a good reason, because it is almost always a _negligent_ discharge and not an _accidental_ discharge, if someone NDs I do not want them around me and a firearm.
[+] digitalengineer|2 years ago|reply
If I'm not mistaking some Sig P320 models come without a safety switch. However, one could, you know, not keep a round in the chamber, especially if there is no safety switch... So yeah, the users does carry some of the blame.
[+] no-s|2 years ago|reply
I stressed over this and finally gave in and got a P365, which I tore down and measured various things to assure it wasn’t as naughty as a P320. I wouldn’t even carry (EDC) a nice Glock which some PD reverted to, because of the unfortunate possibility of inadvertent discharge when re-holstering. For the P320 there was no real visibility of the risk from a slight trigger movement - for the Glock you know anything that moves the trigger safety opens the envelope.
[+] tbihl|2 years ago|reply
Where do you go to read up on this?
[+] slowhand09|2 years ago|reply
WP is WP. They interviewed me once about firearms. They either misquoted or misunderstood everything we spoke about.
[+] Rebelgecko|2 years ago|reply
My favorite WaPo article about guns was the one a few years ago where they talked about the dangers of assault weapons that shoot high powered silenceable sniper rounds like the Ruger 10/22. If a .22 is considered high power I'd love to know what they classify as low/medium.
[+] Havoc|2 years ago|reply
Reminds me of the smoking/cancer playbook. Dodge, deny & deflect no matter how obvious it is that there is a real problem

>No regulatory body has the power to investigate alleged defects or impose a mandatory recall of guns.

Whoever came up with that idea should probably be shot (intentionally)

[+] stonegray|2 years ago|reply
If this is an actual problem, it’s not obvious to me. The fact that nobody’s been able to replicate this without pulling the trigger is concerning.

Having two redundant internal safety systems fail, and mysteriously fire seems so considerably less plausible than negligent discharge that I think anecdotal evidence isn’t enough.