[Beltiras]

You wrongfully assume I want to have any sort of conversation with the converts. The only conversation I want to have with them is to tell them to stay bloody clear of politics. If you want to have rules that govern your life, I'm perfectly fine with that up to where they want legislation that affects the freedom of other people. It seems too much of late that Evangelicals took The Handmaid's Tale as an instruction manual instead of a dystopic vision.

[ToValueFunfetti]

I didn't assume that you wanted to have a conversation with religious people; you said so and I believed you.

>If you don't call out the hypocrites, how would they ever know they are wrong?

If you're not actually trying to convince them they're wrong, you can't use that to justify uncivility.

I get that being polite is less important than preventing someone from leveraging the government to restrict others' freedoms. But if everyone defects from social norms, we'll be in the exact same place on those issues while being collectively worse off.

[Beltiras]

I can't convince them. Their belief precludes any sort of reason to pierce the veil.

[docandrew]

Ah yes, those famously utopian atheistic societies… like Soviet Russia and Mao’s China. Good thing they kept Christianity bloody clear of politics or things might have gotten ugly!

[Beltiras]

Neither of those are utopian atheistic societies. They were authoritarian hellholes that weren't even socialist in nature.