[catminou]

I agree in that the Canadian ISP market has had a rough ride for a long time. Until the mid 2000s when Cogent and other folks (GTT) rolled into Canada, TELUS, Bell and other companies were charging obscene rates for IP transit.

For several years the TELUS and Bell peering PNIs (OC12s back then) would run hot regularly in domestic Canada - for years.

You'll never get them to peer openly, but at best you can get them to offer market rates for paid peer (which is what folks have tried to do in the US).

[Scoundreller]

> You’ll never get them to peer openly

Maybe I’ve got it wrong, but don’t my peeringdb links suggest Bell and Telus do peer openly, but only on US soil?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35595697

[catminou]

My recollection is that they're still selective in the US. Maybe that's changed.