Donated! Direct land acquisition by nonprofits is the future of conservation. I did the math once, and with the annual budget of The Nature Conservancy, you could purchase 20% of Nebraska in a perfectly reasonable amount of time.
I am very proud to have been involved in the Nature Conservancy's effort to restore wetlands in Oregon. I completely agree that land acquisition is a great path forward, as long as the longevity of that acquisition can be secured.
Donating money for someone to buy land is a big no for me. Privatisation of land to some benefactor doesn't seem to be the best strategy for preservation. How do you know ownership will not be transferred in the future?
Also, why is it we never see a "reverse damage done for centuries to european and north american forests" NGO? Why do you always think of the Amazon? Leave peruvians, bolivians, brasilians, etc alone. And stop using coal to generate electricity, thank you very much.
>Also, why is it we never see a "reverse damage done for centuries to european and north american forests" NGO?
north american forest defense orgs are prosecuted as domestic terrorists. there are a couple "tree planting" startups but mostly they seem to be timber company greenwashing
There is a lot of reforestation happening in Europe. In France for instance the low time for forest was in the 17th century and since then the forest surface has doubled and is steadily increasing.
You could also note that now Japan has more forests than Brazil in percentage of the territory while having a much higher population density, and that Brazil used to have double as much forest than Japan around 100 years ago.
This is cute, but I'm skeptical of it working in practice.
Most mining and logging operations in Amazon rainforest is illegal anyway. I don't think they will care that the land is owned unless you can protect it somehow (including use of force. The rule of law hardly applies in those regions).
I just heard about this charity the other day listening to a fascinating episode of the Lex Fridman podcast with Paul Rosolie who seems very involved or possibly the founder.
Fwiw he came across as very genuine (given some comments on here were skeptical of the charity)
56:2656:28 They cut the forest, burn the forest.
56:2856:30 And then they run water through the sand.
56:3056:33 And the sand particles have bits of gold in it, not chunks.
56:3356:37 But just little almost microscopic flecks of gold.
56:3756:40 And then they use the mercury to bind that.
56:4056:41 And then they burn off the mercury.
56:4156:43 And that vapor goes up into the clouds.
56:4356:46 So just like everything else, it's all connected down there
56:4656:47 and then rains down into the rivers.
56:4756:50 And so the people in the region are having birth defects
Which 20 coffees? 20 Starbucks coffees? 20 no-name donut shop coffees? 20 instant-scoop grocery store coffees? If coffees are to become a bona fide currency, we're going to need more precise denominations here.
Or hopefully we can just stop with the coffee-pricing analogies because it's getting ridiculous and your would-be customers think you sound ridiculous. It's outdated sales-talk.
That'd be extremely expensive for a normal coffee, even at 2023 prices and assuming some rip-off place like Starbucks or quite-fancy cafes that actually put some of the high price into getting excellent beans. It's unthinkably high for home-made coffee. You can get extremely nice beans and not hit $2/coffee.
$5 is close to the cost of a hot caffeinated milkshake, though.
Seems to me like you could do a lot to frustrate loggers with 300k acres of land, especially if you are strategic in the purchases and do things like buying a giant ring of land (or more realistically a strip that has natural boundaries like rivers and mountains on the other sides) and then disallowing the construction of roads through it.
Just stop eating meat or reduce where possible and stop or reduce animal product consumption would help much more. Money is not the solution, but the problem IMHO.
Imho the real thing we need to do is raze so many European towns and cities and return them to nature. That continent continues to deforest and it is carbon costly to inhabit. It is time for Germany to depopulate.
They've simply been grandfathered in, but the climate costs of their past actions have accumulated a debt that can only be paid by dissolving the country.
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[+] [-] Arrath|2 years ago|reply
https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/10/prweb565374.htm
[+] [-] ajot|2 years ago|reply
Also, why is it we never see a "reverse damage done for centuries to european and north american forests" NGO? Why do you always think of the Amazon? Leave peruvians, bolivians, brasilians, etc alone. And stop using coal to generate electricity, thank you very much.
[+] [-] mitthrowaway2|2 years ago|reply
You'll never see if you never look!
https://www.rewildingbritain.org.uk/
[+] [-] ruined|2 years ago|reply
north american forest defense orgs are prosecuted as domestic terrorists. there are a couple "tree planting" startups but mostly they seem to be timber company greenwashing
[+] [-] mijamo|2 years ago|reply
You could also note that now Japan has more forests than Brazil in percentage of the territory while having a much higher population density, and that Brazil used to have double as much forest than Japan around 100 years ago.
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[+] [-] surgical_fire|2 years ago|reply
Most mining and logging operations in Amazon rainforest is illegal anyway. I don't think they will care that the land is owned unless you can protect it somehow (including use of force. The rule of law hardly applies in those regions).
[+] [-] foo42|2 years ago|reply
Fwiw he came across as very genuine (given some comments on here were skeptical of the charity)
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[+] [-] VoodooJuJu|2 years ago|reply
Which 20 coffees? 20 Starbucks coffees? 20 no-name donut shop coffees? 20 instant-scoop grocery store coffees? If coffees are to become a bona fide currency, we're going to need more precise denominations here.
Or hopefully we can just stop with the coffee-pricing analogies because it's getting ridiculous and your would-be customers think you sound ridiculous. It's outdated sales-talk.
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[+] [-] Magi604|2 years ago|reply
The first Google hit for "Junglekeepers Charity Rating" brings up this link claiming they are a scam:
https://www.complaintsboard.com/junglekeepers-scam-charity-c...
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[+] [-] yamtaddle|2 years ago|reply
That'd be extremely expensive for a normal coffee, even at 2023 prices and assuming some rip-off place like Starbucks or quite-fancy cafes that actually put some of the high price into getting excellent beans. It's unthinkably high for home-made coffee. You can get extremely nice beans and not hit $2/coffee.
$5 is close to the cost of a hot caffeinated milkshake, though.
[+] [-] redprince|2 years ago|reply
"In the Legal Amazon, deforestation reached 356 km² in March 2023, according to DETER data." https://www.wwf.org.br/?85360/Deforestation-alerts-remain-hi...
365 km² are 87,970 acres. And that's just Brazil. The goal of the junglekeepers is to save 300,000 acres. They are at it for more than 10 years now.
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[+] [-] rabf|2 years ago|reply
Lex Fridman interview with the founder.
[+] [-] renewiltord|2 years ago|reply
They've simply been grandfathered in, but the climate costs of their past actions have accumulated a debt that can only be paid by dissolving the country.
[+] [-] xeeeeeeeeeeenu|2 years ago|reply
"In 2020, the EU had an estimated 159 million hectares of forests. Their area has increased by almost 10% since 1990 (145 million hectares)"
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/e...
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