In arbitration. Now he's saying he'll take it to court. Depending on how the arbitration clause was written, he may not find that easy to do. If he does take it to court, well, IANAL, but I doubt he'll find it easy to get the arbitrator's decision overturned.
Past that, he could either refuse to pay, or declare bankruptcy. Both have legal downsides; both also rather strongly damage his public image. (Of course, if he cared about his public image, he would have gotten off this road a long time ago...)
>The cExtractor tool being provided to contest participants after the contest didn't help Lindell in the panel's view because "the data at issue is the data provided to contestants as part of the Contest, not some data in hundreds of files informally provided later."
thats like saying a zip file must not contain any data because it didnt come with a copy of the unzip program.
the underlying arguments for this judgement are just as nonsensical as the contest
No, even when the files are processed through cExtractor, the resulting data would not be considered "election data". The arbitration ruling looks sound to me.
> One of the contest judges testified that the binary data would yield a spreadsheet similar to the other one analyzed during the contest. But "without column headings, we have already concluded that such a spreadsheet does not meet the definition of election data," the panel wrote.
Hi. I was at the Cybersymposium. The cExtractor tool was provided to us during the Cybersymposium, not after. A lot more files were provided than this person claims to have received.
I don't understand the panel's reasoning either. Nobody knows all that these .bin files contain. There's no evidence they are from the 2020 election, but no evidence they aren't. I didn't enter the contest because I thought the rule were rigged, that nobody could prove what these files don't contain.
They look like either randomly generated or encrypted data, within which ever couple megabytes a line of text has been inserted. The line of text is ROT3, which may be what Dr. Frank refers to as a "test" to see if people know what they are doing.
I read the article but I feel like I didn't get it. What was the point of this contest? Why were they given some random files that they struggled to even open?
It wasn't clear from the article, but I think this is fallout from something Lindell called "Cyber Symposium" in 2021. Lindell promised PCAPs to people, which as we know, are files with ethernet or WiFi frames in them, in a conventional format. Conservative-leaning infosec expert Robert "rsnake" Graham was in attendance and live tweeted it. Graham is something of a curmudgeon, and apparently independently wealthy, so he would almost certainly have been happy to find PCAP-formatted files that showed any contact with voting machines.
Graham did not find any such thing, and was disappointed that the Cyber Symposium was such a mess, and that he didn't get any PCAPs. So the winner of the challenge isn't alone in saying that the files provided were untainted by packet captures and had nothing to do with the 2020 election.
Lindell has plenty of chances to turn back, to renounce falsehoods and embrace truths. But he insisted on being an Argument from Authority personified. If anyone deserves to be penalized, Mike Lindell does.
AnimalMuppet|2 years ago
Past that, he could either refuse to pay, or declare bankruptcy. Both have legal downsides; both also rather strongly damage his public image. (Of course, if he cared about his public image, he would have gotten off this road a long time ago...)
Kon-Peki|2 years ago
Meh. That’s what they all say.
goodSteveramos|2 years ago
thats like saying a zip file must not contain any data because it didnt come with a copy of the unzip program.
the underlying arguments for this judgement are just as nonsensical as the contest
commoner|2 years ago
> One of the contest judges testified that the binary data would yield a spreadsheet similar to the other one analyzed during the contest. But "without column headings, we have already concluded that such a spreadsheet does not meet the definition of election data," the panel wrote.
robert-graham|2 years ago
I don't understand the panel's reasoning either. Nobody knows all that these .bin files contain. There's no evidence they are from the 2020 election, but no evidence they aren't. I didn't enter the contest because I thought the rule were rigged, that nobody could prove what these files don't contain.
They look like either randomly generated or encrypted data, within which ever couple megabytes a line of text has been inserted. The line of text is ROT3, which may be what Dr. Frank refers to as a "test" to see if people know what they are doing.
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bediger4000|2 years ago
Graham did not find any such thing, and was disappointed that the Cyber Symposium was such a mess, and that he didn't get any PCAPs. So the winner of the challenge isn't alone in saying that the files provided were untainted by packet captures and had nothing to do with the 2020 election.
paulpauper|2 years ago
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ridiculous_fish|2 years ago