[spyremeown]

It's not really over complicating anything, though? It makes perfect sense, it's not hard to understand. Nested VMs have been a thing for a looong time. I honestly don't understand where the criticism for Docker and k8s comes from. Some of HN comments sound like old men shouting at the clouds because they don't understand modern technology and its purposes.

If you want, go right ahead with your managed, on-site VMs where you copy a .php file to an Apache server using a thumb drive and restart the service. I don't care. But that's not how modern teams are working.

[movedx]

> But that's not how modern teams are working.

I'd suggest you do more research. Plenty of teams in (very) big companies, handling (very) large workloads not doing what you'd want them to.

Docker? Docker is ideal for teams deploying quickly evolving (possible stateless) applications across multiple platforms. If you have no need to deploy across multiple platforms, simply deploy directly to your OS using the best primitives possible.

Kubernetes? Excellent for when you need to do multiple, rapid deployments per day of small (ideally stateless) services. A good example of this is small services that serve up adverts in response to some "profile" of a visitor sent to it from a browser - these things evolve a lot, and often.

Abstracting your abstractions because you don't want to learn how-to make the OS better or use what's already there isn't clever. Learning to use the tools is the important thing, and Docker and K8s are just tools.