Its a lot worse here in Myanmar (Burma). Due to On-Going War and revolution against Coup ,junta cut of power just to starve revolution supporters to death. Yesterday 3 died due to heatstroke near us.
Now very hard for business: 12 hours a day power outage even in cities like Yangon (Rangoon) . 2 days ago it was 105 degree F and due to no power we can't have air conditioning .
It was so hot in the day that I cannot even sit in-front of laptop for more than 1 hour. It is totally killing.
I was in Delhi maybe 5-6 years ago for a week before going to the North. It was May/June. The temperatures in the morning (7AM) were around 100F or 40C. I'd walk out on my hotels tiny little balcony with little sunlight seeping through the cracks of the streets, and I'd still get an instant burn on my skin.
At that time I had visited many different countries in Asia (Cambodia is the only one that could compete with India in terms of raw heat), but to this day I will never forget that feeling of just rapid heat acceleration in such early morning hours.
Imagine what that does to the environment "behind the scenes".
Right now, I am in Norway (northernmost part of Western Norway) and it will be May in two days. Last night, we had a snowstorm so strong all the mountains in the area got covered in snow. The Winter itself was average, with hardly any cold periods except for a month of "expected" Winter.
I don't know how anyone plans to address global warming, I really don't, but I know for a fact that weather 20 years ago was much different to what it is now. Where I grew up - Winters used to be -30C (-22F) for 3 months straight and Spring would kick in. For the last 10 years or so, in many places in Eastern Europe - a Winter consists of a little cold a bit of damp weather, that's it.
I learned about the wet bulb temperature from his book.
Wet bulb temperature measures heat and humidity at the same time.
It's the lowest temperature that can be achieved through evaporative cooling, measured using a thermometer covered in a water-soaked cloth to simulate the cooling effect of evaporation on the surrounding air.
If the wet bulb temperature stays above body temperature for a long time, you will die since there's no way to cool off.
The book speculates that even when tens of millions of Indians die from the heat, that won't be enough to get nations and corporations to fix the problem.
In his narrative, the only solution is a global clandestine black-ops campaign of sabotage and assassination to target the powerful individuals blocking progress to protect their own wealth.
An electricity-free technology to cool an area by reflecting all sunlight energy and simultaneously emitting black body radiation in the atmospheric mid IR window (unlike metals, which have low emissivity) is useful here.
>But government authorities have underestimated the danger, the study found. Officials rely on a climate vulnerability assessment, designed by India’s Department of Science and Technology, that indicates a smaller percentage of the country faces high risk from climate change than the new findings suggest
The Indian state's persistent denial of science and criticism will continue to cost Indians their lives. It happened during COVID and will happen again in years to come.
There is a worse problem here - heat causes electric power demand to rise. No gigawatt-scale power grid anywhere on the planet has supplied increased demand through renewables. What will happen is simple - coal and gas output will increase and this is an unfortunate but vicious cycle. Carbon emissions will only make the problem worse in the short term.
> There is a worse problem here - heat causes electric power demand to rise. No gigawatt-scale power grid anywhere on the planet has supplied increased demand through renewables.
I expect that, for India, the solution will be to build a thousand megawatt-scale power grids, or, more likely, millions of sub-kilowatt-scale power grids.
Connect a solar panel to a battery and an AC unit, and you have a standalone AC unit that works whenever there’s lots of sun, and in India that correlates reasonably well to ‘whenever it’s scorching hot’.
With solar already cheaper to build than running _existing_ coal plants in India (https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/solar/report-its-now-ch...), I expect that to even be economical, even if such standalone units waste energy if there’s sun but not need for AC.
>The Indian state's persistent denial of science and criticism will continue to cost Indians their lives. It happened during COVID and will happen again in years to come.
Perhaps this isn't an issue for the Gov. India losing 100-300 million people due to some catastrophic event would probably not even be noticed since it will be the poorest part of the population that will suffer the consequences.The only possibilities for salvation I can see is clean, renewable, endless energy or mass human migration to more temperate regions of the world.
The Indian government is funding implementation of Dense Plasma Focus devices which harness energy from a Plasmoid. Apparently, these power generators can fit on a large truck. I wonder what the current status of this is.
India relies on Coal because it does not have NG infrastructure, and with Ukraine war, the NG market shot-up in price because EU has basically bid-up the traditional NG suppliers to Global South.
Remember when you take Carbon emissions per Capita, India is no where near China or US. So people pissing on India should know better, but they will any way because they an axe to grind.
The urban legend is, the weather reports hide the actual upper temperatures (replacing them with lower temps) because the true numbers would drive more farmers to suicide...
At least the fact that the heat/dryness lead to suicide is true, although I can't verify if they would give up after hearing the weather predictions or after their crops failed:
If you are genuinely concerned about protecting the planet, how about completely banning all kinds of meat especially beef since they cause the largest amount of Co's production and why not shut down the coal power plants in whichever rich part of the world you are from. Statistically speaking those would be of greater help than this random take
Indian state is one of the most useful for science and hence pursue vegetarianism and concepts like Life.
If you want perhaps start by yourself and reduce your carbon footprint.
True, but in reality what can India do ? Its position on the Globe puts it directly in "harms way", they could cut carbon to 0 but that would not really help them. As long as all other countries are opening up Coal Plants (China) and more Oil Fields (US), places like this will feel a lot of pain.
It's surprising that the article doesn't seem to consider the potential benefits of heating, especially when it comes to mitigating the adverse effects of cold weather. For instance, this study conducted in India [0] found that cold-related deaths significantly outnumbered heat-related deaths. Given this, I think it's important to weigh the advantages of heating against its drawbacks when discussing this topic.
Both are bad and to be avoided. One doesn’t prevent the other. You can have simultaneously more deaths in the winter and more deaths in the summer. Climate is getting more extreme, not just “hotter”.
Is there any co-relation between heat waves and the temperature during the winter months? Anecdotally, it just seems like we are caught between an ever-lengthening gap of higher temperatures during summer and lower temperatures during winter.
ok, but people are still overheating due to to the increased heat in the summer. Maybe now only 100million more people risk heatstroke and 200million less risk freezing to death in the winter, that doesn’t mean there’s a very very big problem
I think it's more realistic to move out of areas that will be uninhabitable (edited typo) than fight nature, but that's me. Move north, escape the heat, don't buy property in coast lines or future deserts and emigrate now so your family doesn't have to deal with useless real estate or become climate refugees. Moving now is way easier than in a couple generations.
Most people are worried about "the end of the world" when they should be worried about way more practical things which are much more likely.
Waiting for the HN expert to chime in that temperatures in India are actually at an all time low and the article is indeed wrong. Also, they were in India recently and the temperatures seemed fine and people were outside enjoying the beautiful weather. Furthermore, an increase in temperatures in India is actually a positive thing for the people and economy and the article should be ignored.
I think there is something to finding creative technological solutions. It seems unkind and impractical to ask people to avoid such regions or not live there. People have histories, communities and culture. It can be abandoned in a time of need, but displacement can create trauma, which may have multigenerational effects. I don't study climate science or climate justice, but my bet is that those who can take these environmental threats and instead turn them into a boon, e.g. a new manufacturing technique that reduces carbon emissions or optimizes carbon sequestering for energy production, will have something everyone will want.
Quoting. "OTEC (Ocean thermal energy conversion) can also supply quantities of cold water as a by-product. This can be used for refrigeration and can help crops and fish grow. OTEC can also produce large amounts of salt-free water"
... heck I read all the stuff written here and am thinking now 'someone may have patents for that...' (-;
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At that time I had visited many different countries in Asia (Cambodia is the only one that could compete with India in terms of raw heat), but to this day I will never forget that feeling of just rapid heat acceleration in such early morning hours.
Imagine what that does to the environment "behind the scenes".
Right now, I am in Norway (northernmost part of Western Norway) and it will be May in two days. Last night, we had a snowstorm so strong all the mountains in the area got covered in snow. The Winter itself was average, with hardly any cold periods except for a month of "expected" Winter.
I don't know how anyone plans to address global warming, I really don't, but I know for a fact that weather 20 years ago was much different to what it is now. Where I grew up - Winters used to be -30C (-22F) for 3 months straight and Spring would kick in. For the last 10 years or so, in many places in Eastern Europe - a Winter consists of a little cold a bit of damp weather, that's it.
[+] [-] passwordoops|2 years ago|reply
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ministry_for_the_Future
[+] [-] panarky|2 years ago|reply
Wet bulb temperature measures heat and humidity at the same time.
It's the lowest temperature that can be achieved through evaporative cooling, measured using a thermometer covered in a water-soaked cloth to simulate the cooling effect of evaporation on the surrounding air.
If the wet bulb temperature stays above body temperature for a long time, you will die since there's no way to cool off.
The book speculates that even when tens of millions of Indians die from the heat, that won't be enough to get nations and corporations to fix the problem.
In his narrative, the only solution is a global clandestine black-ops campaign of sabotage and assassination to target the powerful individuals blocking progress to protect their own wealth.
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They are an existing emerging technology. White paint helps somewhat but doesn’t work well in the IR. The current best performing film is made by 3M: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/energy-conservation-us/applicati...
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Mirrors on every roof? Polished steel? Brick or concrete walls? At a city level, low tech could still make a difference.
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>But government authorities have underestimated the danger, the study found. Officials rely on a climate vulnerability assessment, designed by India’s Department of Science and Technology, that indicates a smaller percentage of the country faces high risk from climate change than the new findings suggest
The Indian state's persistent denial of science and criticism will continue to cost Indians their lives. It happened during COVID and will happen again in years to come.
There is a worse problem here - heat causes electric power demand to rise. No gigawatt-scale power grid anywhere on the planet has supplied increased demand through renewables. What will happen is simple - coal and gas output will increase and this is an unfortunate but vicious cycle. Carbon emissions will only make the problem worse in the short term.
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I expect that, for India, the solution will be to build a thousand megawatt-scale power grids, or, more likely, millions of sub-kilowatt-scale power grids.
Connect a solar panel to a battery and an AC unit, and you have a standalone AC unit that works whenever there’s lots of sun, and in India that correlates reasonably well to ‘whenever it’s scorching hot’.
With solar already cheaper to build than running _existing_ coal plants in India (https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/solar/report-its-now-ch...), I expect that to even be economical, even if such standalone units waste energy if there’s sun but not need for AC.
[+] [-] ChumpGPT|2 years ago|reply
Perhaps this isn't an issue for the Gov. India losing 100-300 million people due to some catastrophic event would probably not even be noticed since it will be the poorest part of the population that will suffer the consequences.The only possibilities for salvation I can see is clean, renewable, endless energy or mass human migration to more temperate regions of the world.
[+] [-] briantakita|2 years ago|reply
https://asiatimes.com/2020/07/focus-fusion-is-the-hottest-id...
[+] [-] sremani|2 years ago|reply
Remember when you take Carbon emissions per Capita, India is no where near China or US. So people pissing on India should know better, but they will any way because they an axe to grind.
[+] [-] netsharc|2 years ago|reply
At least the fact that the heat/dryness lead to suicide is true, although I can't verify if they would give up after hearing the weather predictions or after their crops failed:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=india+hot+weather+farmer+suicides&...
Well this was a morbid comment...
[+] [-] Jenepas|2 years ago|reply
Indian state is one of the most useful for science and hence pursue vegetarianism and concepts like Life.
If you want perhaps start by yourself and reduce your carbon footprint.
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[0] https://phys.org/news/2022-01-cold-deaths-india.html
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Like how Texas has lots of heat waves that cause issues, but there was far more havoc and death during that cold snap.
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Mentioning facts like that would violate the narrative.
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Most people are worried about "the end of the world" when they should be worried about way more practical things which are much more likely.
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... heck I read all the stuff written here and am thinking now 'someone may have patents for that...' (-;