Based on the LLM-produced stuff I've seen online I have to think a market will emerge soon for real writing from actual people. How much reshuffling of stuff already written a hundred times can we put up with? The bar seems pretty low if you only have to compete with ChatGPT.
>I have to think a market will emerge soon for real writing from actual people
That market already exists and has existed for quite some time, you make it sound like literature has always been an AI dominated market and salt of the earth people are finally about to get their chance. I assume this is not what you meant and that I am missing something or possibly you know something that I don't and my perception of reality is fundamentally flawed. The latter is more fun but I suspect the former to be more accurate.
More to the point, I think there is a good sized market out there for AI writing, many who are into technology are going to want to read what AI can produce; this will take some writing away from people but it will be minor and most of the writing jobs which AI will take are those that the bulk of writers complain about, those jobs they say destroy their souls and rob them of their artistic freedom, the contract jobs.
If the quality is only half as good but the AI can put out orders of magnitude more material faster, that could be the direction that may be preferred by some content publishers.
this is what i've been saying. the good writers will become even more valuable. if everybody grows up not learning to write, then the ones who learn to write will be well positioned.
Being replaced by technology should give an author a wealth to write about, especially in a time when fears of being replaced by technology is a major topic, AI lacks this simple human connection and will likely always lack it which offers a wonderful possibility for the writer, a world in which AI is being replaced by humans.
"Hey ChatGPT, write an autobiography of an author who got replaced by ChatGPT. Use first-person perspective. Write in the style of <famous author of your choice>"
They are and reek of chatgpt pr. Now the real issue here is that if the ceo of openai endorses such negative marketing you can only begin to imagine the kind of toxic person he is and the kind of toxicity openai is creating in the space. I am speculating of course but openai is promoted solely around this kind of publicity.
I used ChatGPT to generate stories. I'm not a writer or native English speaker, so it helps with wording and writing more fluently.
But it actually needs a lot of guiding and editing to get something you want. I'd say it's similar to code generation, LLM can generate something not quite right or just broken, and you need to ask to fix it or tweak the prompt until it gets what you need. Or you might need to combine pieces from separate generations.
So it seems strange a professional writer would get replaced with just ChatGPT and "$0 overhead". Maybe you could hire someone for less pay, but it's like hiring a ChatGPT-assisted junior dev and expecting good output.
I feel for him. Being in a knowledge heavy industry, I'm probably in the next round, when they will come for jobs that are extractive and not just generative.
that said, ai is still a lousy writer. I've tried to use it to generate stories, and they tend to always repeat the same themes and the same tropes, unless you jump in and provide a compelling skeleton for characters and plot or you spend a lot of time generating options and picking the best.
I don't know however if that is enough to make a job out of it because it's a skill that's quite easy to learn.
> "Everyone saying the government will pass UBI. Lol. They can't even handle providing all people with basic Healthcare or giving women a few guaranteed weeks off work (at a bare minimum) after exploding a baby out of their body. They didn't even pass a law to ensure that shelves were restocked with baby formula when there was a shortage. They just let babies die. They don't care. But you think they will pass a UBI lol?"
i feel like they would almost have a point here if they could calm down a little
I mean, as someone who had a newborn during that time it was pretty stressful and upsetting trying to feed them. But I can understand if you have been completely insulated from these issues in your life why you might take more issue with the authors tone.
Regulations protecting paid leave after the birth of a child feels like a no breaker to me and honestly falls into the bucket of worker protections.
Arguing for a UBI and universal Healthcare as though government welfare programs are an obvious must for any government is ridiculous. By all means, arguing for why they're necessary federal expeditures is on thing, assuming that it's a given part of any government is completely ignoring the tradeoffs that must be accepted for such programs.
Let’s say there’s a UBI, there’s still a ton of jobs that won’t be taken over by the robots for at least the rest of my life that will still need to be done. If we learned anything from the Covid unemployment benefits it is given a chance people will sit at home instead of working for essentially the same amount of money.
What they don’t ever explain is how they plan on incentivizing people to do all the crap jobs. Everyone always talks about the writers and programmers needing to get compensation for their lost jobs but for every one of those there’s probably a dozen people who would get a raise from a UBI and just stop working.
Unless there’s an underclass that is prevented from collecting the same UBI as the displaced white collar workers I can guarantee you there will be nobody taking that job to suck out your septic system.
And I’m intentionally ignoring any economic impacts of a UBI because I’m more interested in how people propose to solve this without creating a virtual caste system.
gregjor|2 years ago
ofalkaed|2 years ago
That market already exists and has existed for quite some time, you make it sound like literature has always been an AI dominated market and salt of the earth people are finally about to get their chance. I assume this is not what you meant and that I am missing something or possibly you know something that I don't and my perception of reality is fundamentally flawed. The latter is more fun but I suspect the former to be more accurate.
More to the point, I think there is a good sized market out there for AI writing, many who are into technology are going to want to read what AI can produce; this will take some writing away from people but it will be minor and most of the writing jobs which AI will take are those that the bulk of writers complain about, those jobs they say destroy their souls and rob them of their artistic freedom, the contract jobs.
xg15|2 years ago
I mean, if you look at the barrage of reboots, franchise installments and "memberberry" sequels that make up the bulk of cinema blockbusters...
fuzzfactor|2 years ago
If the quality is only half as good but the AI can put out orders of magnitude more material faster, that could be the direction that may be preferred by some content publishers.
greenie_beans|2 years ago
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yolo11|2 years ago
But it actually needs a lot of guiding and editing to get something you want. I'd say it's similar to code generation, LLM can generate something not quite right or just broken, and you need to ask to fix it or tweak the prompt until it gets what you need. Or you might need to combine pieces from separate generations.
So it seems strange a professional writer would get replaced with just ChatGPT and "$0 overhead". Maybe you could hire someone for less pay, but it's like hiring a ChatGPT-assisted junior dev and expecting good output.
avereveard|2 years ago
that said, ai is still a lousy writer. I've tried to use it to generate stories, and they tend to always repeat the same themes and the same tropes, unless you jump in and provide a compelling skeleton for characters and plot or you spend a lot of time generating options and picking the best.
I don't know however if that is enough to make a job out of it because it's a skill that's quite easy to learn.
ftxbro|2 years ago
i feel like they would almost have a point here if they could calm down a little
enempi|2 years ago
_heimdall|2 years ago
Arguing for a UBI and universal Healthcare as though government welfare programs are an obvious must for any government is ridiculous. By all means, arguing for why they're necessary federal expeditures is on thing, assuming that it's a given part of any government is completely ignoring the tradeoffs that must be accepted for such programs.
UncleEntity|2 years ago
Let’s say there’s a UBI, there’s still a ton of jobs that won’t be taken over by the robots for at least the rest of my life that will still need to be done. If we learned anything from the Covid unemployment benefits it is given a chance people will sit at home instead of working for essentially the same amount of money.
What they don’t ever explain is how they plan on incentivizing people to do all the crap jobs. Everyone always talks about the writers and programmers needing to get compensation for their lost jobs but for every one of those there’s probably a dozen people who would get a raise from a UBI and just stop working.
Unless there’s an underclass that is prevented from collecting the same UBI as the displaced white collar workers I can guarantee you there will be nobody taking that job to suck out your septic system.
And I’m intentionally ignoring any economic impacts of a UBI because I’m more interested in how people propose to solve this without creating a virtual caste system.
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cocodill|2 years ago