[Jayschwa]

I agree. At its best, public transit can be a better experience than driving. But the average experience is often worse than driving.

[bertil]

That’s because driving throws out all the externalities outside the window: pollution, noise, violence, the cost of roads, cutting cities with hostile canyons…

Saying driving is better is like saying littering is more convenient than picking up your trash.

[falcolas]

And worse includes slower by 2x or more than driving, even with all the BS driving includes like traffic jams and finding parking.

[bombcar]

That's usually the final straw people will put up with a decent amount but once they realize how much time they're spending - bam.

And part of the problem is that the only real way to get competitive fair box recovery (which shouldn't really be a goal, imo) is to pack the vehicles to standing-room only, which makes it hard to read a book or do something else.

[slondr]

This is a false dichotomy, no?

Driving somewhere for 30 minutes means you waste 30 minutes of your life in transport.

Taking a train somewhere for 50 minutes means you can do something else for 50 minutes. Read a book, browse the internet, write a poem, whatever.