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but really, society has an extraordinary array of often incoherent desires

we're trapped in an excruciating process of experiencing these desires assert and resolve themselves

[MichaelZuo]

I agree, there are hundreds of comments in this post, which is not at all unusual for these kinds of societal topics, yet very few actually clarified the basics.

The goals, desires, motivations, assumptions, etc., of the various parties and groups involved.

Without this, the vast majority of effort seems to be spent going in circles. Some might be convinced from position A to B, some might be convinced from position B to C, and some might be convinced from position C to A.