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ArcMex | 2 years ago

>Are there younger engineers, new to the career, for whom programming is not merely a job but something they can imagine doing in their spare time?

Yes, absolutely!

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tombert|2 years ago

I have no idea if I am considered "young" (32), but I taught a few classes over the last few semesters to students who were unambiguously young, and I can definitely say that young people coding for fun are definitely out there.

A few students of mine would show me little games they were working on, or websites they were building. Sure, they might be doing this a bit for resume-fuel, but it was abundantly obvious to me that they were doing these things largely because they thought it was cool.

And you know what? It is cool! I tried my best to encourage them to keep at it.

moffkalast|2 years ago

The "it's for the resume" is a convenient excuse when people ask you why are you spending hundreds of hours on something that seems pointless but is fun to code.

newswasboring|2 years ago

I've reached a age where I have to answer "define young". Early thirties is weird. All the people I respect and learn from are still older than me, but not old old.

qup|2 years ago

I'm older than you and I actually considered that the author was talking about me! I thought "yeah, I'm an addict, we're still out there".

It didn't occur to me that I was old until your comment. Thanks!

vjk800|2 years ago

Hey, 30s is the new 20s, and so on.

I'm in the same boat and I definitely still feel young. I mean, I'm fundamentally unchanged from when I was 16, and still like the same stuff like video games, computers, and so on. I have also always looked kinda young, which probably allowed me to propagate my youth until very recently. The biggest change I've noticed is not anything internal to me but how other people act around me; they talk to me like I'm an adult (which can be either good or bad depending on the situation), and the cashiers at the stores have stopped asking for an ID when I buy liquor (before 30 they still did!). Also, people don't give unsolicited advice as much as they used to; I suppose they think I know what I'm doing or don't care. This is definitely bad, because my modus operandi for life has always been to try weird stuff my own way and count on other people to stop me if I'm doing something completely stupid.

ZaoLahma|2 years ago

The "define young"-range seems to be a sliding window centered around your current age.

Perhaps at some point there will be very few older than you and perhaps then the sliding window will be offset accordingly, but at least for me (almost, almost 40) I'm still well within the "define young" range from my own point of view.

mhh__|2 years ago

To even ask is ridiculous.

potatoboiler|2 years ago

As a current undergraduate, programming for fun is ubiquitous in my peers. Surprises me also that the author has to ask.

asdfman123|2 years ago

Older people are always scared of being made irrelevant by later generations.

It’s important not to internalize the fear response of having to shoot down everything that makes you feel threatened.

Hunpeter|2 years ago

I'm 26 (so, born around the time author started at Apple) and took up programming as an on-and-off hobby in my early twenties. I've never worked in IT in any capacity and don't consider myself skilled or talented. But I love the thrill of figuring things out, of building (usually useless) things, of solving problems. I suspect there could be many like me, who perhaps never get into (or even try to get into) the industry, yet are enthusiastic about the field itself.