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rohith2506 | 2 years ago

Sitting on the sidelines, It makes us feel superior to criticise and derive intellectual pleasure out of that but I haven't seen a lot of people who actually step into the ring and try to fix what's broken. I was one of them.

We can all agree that the current traditional and digital finance systems are broken but I don't see any solutions being provided as an alternative.

In every industry which involves innovation, there will be speculation and definitely people who like to profit off that which results in ponzi schemes but in the end, there are some genuinely hard working people who truly believe in the mission they signed up for 10 years ago and still continue to work. I would suggest you to take a look around and dig deeper into some of the blockchain projects and you will understand how much blood, sweat and bits have been poured into this.

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Veen|2 years ago

I wonder if it occurs to people who "try to fix what's broken" that things are as they are for a reason, and it might be a good reason, a series of compromises and hacks necessary to create a system that is far from perfect, but that more-or-less works.

There are no doubt many things wrong with our financial systems, but I suspect they'll be fixed by gradual evolution that maintains what works, and not by a revolution that seeks to replace what we have with something that sounds good from a naive perspective, but is in reality much worse.

rohith2506|2 years ago

Well, the whole point of innovation is to question that "more-or-less works". Without that, we would still be hunter gatherers

And we won't be replacing anything overnight. That would be disastrous to the whole economy. But I really doubt that people who benefit from keeping things the way they are will actually work towards fixing any of them. You are actually asking them give up their incentives for the betterment and I don't think there are enough altruistic people who wanna do that.

Not that I am saying that crypto is any better but we need a strong counter party which questions fundamentals of any belief system (in this case, our current financial system) we have such that they will be forced to innovate otherwise they will go extinct

cube2222|2 years ago

> We can all agree that the current traditional and digital finance systems are broken [...]

Could you expand on that? That's quite a strong opinion to assume everybody agrees on.

dustypotato|2 years ago

Not the original commenter, but: In certain countries transactions take about 2 days to be reflected. In most digital payments, the payment networks (visa/mastercard/amex) take a cut of 1-2.5% of the total payment value which is a large percentage of profit for a small establishment. The bank APIs are inconsistent are a huge mess to manage so including the regulatory barriers, if a new payment solution wants to come up , it's a lot of money , time and work. On top of that , different countries have different API standards.

There's value to be had in payment solutions and banking solutions being decoupled . Banks should more deal with lending and deposits , injecting cash flows into the economy , insuring deposits, etc. Payments should be , well, payments similar to from a wallet, with less regulation overall.

pixelpoet|2 years ago

Bailing out Too-Big-To-Fail banks which privatise profits and socialise losses on increasingly abstract / difficult to understand financial instruments springs to mind.

RestlessMind|2 years ago

How about - "current finance systems are broken for a lot of people across the world". And they manifest in terms of crazy inflation (Venezuela, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Pakistan), currency controls (China and many other places), despotic regimes (Russia, Iran, Taliban) etc. I see Bitcoin doing a lot more[1] for those people than traditional financial systems, either local or western.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32406095

JAlexoid|2 years ago

We're also privileged to be closer to understanding the systems and solutions. That makes it easier for us to view the massive amount of issues with the ecosystem as not the core of the cryptocurrency "craze".

Now imagine you're not a techie, that has no idea what's what? The propaganda concept of "rotten herring", that mars the whole, will take effect on the whole cryptocurrency concept.

For laypeople cryptocurrency is as much a mystery with it's own gatekeepers, as fiat money systems. Engineers becoming the gatekeepers, are definitely more open an excited about it... but to others swapping a banker to an anonymous engineer is not much of an upgrade.

So many gatekeepers have failed in providing essential protections that old gatekeepers still provide.

Crypto made fraud and mismanagement obvious and grandiose, even though the exact same happens with traditional financial system.

Technology can't catch on just because "there are some great projects"

Closi|2 years ago

> Crypto made fraud and mismanagement obvious and grandiose, even though the exact same happens with traditional financial system.

How? So much of the fraud has been both more common and just as opaque as the traditional finance sector (see FTX).

rjmunro|2 years ago

> We can all agree that the current traditional and digital finance systems are broken

No we can't. I think the traditional and digital finance systems fundamentally work quite well. It's not all perfect, but it mostly works.

8note|2 years ago

> We can all agree that the current traditional and digital finance systems are broken but I don't see any solutions being provided as an alternative.

Do we all agree? I think the traditional system is pretty good, and attempts to remove or bypass good regulation are steps in the wrong direction.