[preordained]

The media hates him, and I can understand how that can be hard to separate out from one's view of reality; but, I think whether Elon has success despite actually being terrible as some might think, or is actually really good at what he does, he's been very successful on the whole if you can be the slightest bit objective. So, given that, you would have to claim to know, really know, that it's all despite him to say he's ineffective, which is a pretty silly thing to propose unqualified.

[ninepoints]

Correlation != causation. It's clear that his success is in spite of himself, not because of it. I don't know anyone in my professional circle that would work under him, what with having a reputation for impulse firing people that disagree with you and other clear signs of egomania.

[kortilla]

Is your suggestion that both Tesla and SpaceX ignored his leadership all of these years and went their own direction to success?

[bybybyby]

So then what other then Elon's leadership has caused his companies to effectively exist and achieve all their goals?

If leadership isn't the causal factor then what is the causal factor?

[worik]

> The media hates him [Musk], and I can understand how that can be hard to separate out from one's view of reality;

The media reports on him.

Makes him look bad.

Not the media's fault.

It is how a genius can also be a fool