[ishjoh]

I'm curious about example 1. It sounds like you had all the right things in place so I have a few questions for you:

1. Were you just so hungry that you didn't want to stick with it anymore? What was your daily calorie deficit?

2. Did you enjoy your sports program or was it a chore to do?

[anonyfox]

1) I am pre-trained in fasting extended amounts of time and actually enjoy it, being hungry wasn't the problem. but sometimes (quite often for me unfortunately) adult life happens, and I just have to do something like eating business lunch with a client or some holiday feast with the family. A few times of these things happening (sometimes even within 1 week) and after a while I just think "fuck it". The only thing I actually can keep for many months now is going meatless, but this was a great body response feeling within few days and just staying noticeably good, including appetite changes over time I spotted (like preference for fresh vegetables and fruits I never had before) as well as a disgust now to kill/eat animals, so this is now a natural body reaction on a lower level.

2) the usual dopamine loop seemed to work for me here, like the workout itself was intense (nearly fainting after lifting sometimes), feeling a small high afterwards, and even enjoyed the DOMS 2 days after proudly, also helped noticeably in stress reduction to move (accumulated over sets) a few tons of iron. had a kind of personal coach (even though shared with others when I didn't need him) and felt well in my gym environment - everything on point. After a while, I stopped going for no particular reason.