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detrites | 2 years ago

> but funnily enough mistakes such as these happen in every intelligence service

There's advantage in appearing incompetent and creating traps to distract from actual active capabilities that are working.

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boomboomsubban|2 years ago

People seem to have been killed by this CIA mistake. If it wasn't actually a mistake, but purposefully putting people in danger to protect others, I don't know who would ever agree to be a mole for them in the future

saiya-jin|2 years ago

As history has shown over and over (and thats just cases which surfaced, most did not and will not), its a stupid idea in all situations.

The cases where people walk away unscathed and achieve some proper good instead of long bad prisons, torture or outright execution are miniscule. You can be sacrificed by some bureaucrat which has lower intelligence than you, doesnt care a bit, is corrupt or just treats you as a pawn in some bigger game.

Greater good my ass, its almost never the case, its rather one of above.

Thats why they always go for desperate people, who they manipulate, extort, threaten to harm families etc. Normal balanced well off folks have no business with such, you can only lose.

capableweb|2 years ago

Lots of operations put small amount people in danger in order to protect a larger group, that's essentially the whole idea behind police, military, special forces and related groups.

People become moles for the greater good, usually, or protection. Sometimes it works out, sometimes not.

detrites|2 years ago

> purposefully putting people in danger to protect others

Doesn't this describe all armed forces, everywhere, ever?

eastbound|2 years ago

We have no element to let us think that the actual active capabilities are any better than that. Do you know any elite who goes working for agencies? How can they remain elite if they don’t write on their work, share it with others, recoup best practices during conferences, etc.?

detrites|2 years ago

I've no idea how to interpret your comment in way that isn't bizarre. You seem to state you think competitive advantage in intelligence activity - and in military activity for that matter, as they are deeply intertwined - doesn't exist.

And that the reason it doesn't is because everyone involved has to constantly leak and brag all their confidential secrets out in the open so they will be considered hireable by other agencies tasked with secret-keeping?

Have I read that right?

xattt|2 years ago

Elites that stay elite do so by remaining understated, basing the majority of their reputation on the results of their work, and only sharing their techniques when they know they are in the right crowd.

If the internet knew, it wouldn’t be an elite op anymore.