[murbard2]

It's really wasted on clubbers. Much better to be shared on a beautiful quiet day with a loved one. From what I hear.

[stinos]

This is a bit of a limited view on how this clubbing goes down in practice. I'd even dare say it can on occasion work out just as well as therapy. The effect it has on how one experiences, feels, gets drawn into, the music is hard to describe, but for that experience alone it's not wasted in my opinion. Apart from that there's way more to 'clubbing' on MDMA than just being in the club. People more often than not go outside or to a quiet(er) space to just talk (easier on outdoor parties/festivals/warehouse-type raves etc but you get the piont). In fact this switching between partying and talking just makes the whole thing a lot better, the partying gives you a break of the deep conversations. The bonds formed with friends or strangers who become friends by shared thoughts there are pretty much for life.

[washadjeffmad]

Clubbing is its own therapy, as has been MDMA's use during it. It's a human ritual of shared empathetic expression that modern society attempted to "civilize" out of us. Chanting, rhythmic drumming, inducing an altered state of consciousness and dancing to firelight has been done for tens of thousands of years. It's as natural as the spring birds singing.

I'm not a club goer, but the people I know who do come back feeling energized and refreshed. They understand something about themselves that I don't, and I'll always envy that.

[mettamage]

Based on what I've heard as well, couples that take it consensually and safely (by doing hours and hours of research on it), they seem draw closer to each other when they both do it.

[piva00]

It can be both, it can be beautiful in its own ways for both, I don't get why there is a need to say it's a waste in one instance, recreational drug use is not meant to be efficient, it's not meant to be "get the best out of the experience by doing this". It's fun in clubs, it's fun with a loved one on a quiet day, it's fun with close friends in an evening.

The real waste is trying to gatekeep experiences, or closing oneself to experiences because you deem there's just "one right way" to do it.

[quchen]

A similar source has told me that it’s not a waste at all in a music/dancing setting either. I would say it’s great if you want to get to and not away from somewhere.

[vips7L]

Some of the happiest moments of my life are at a music festival with mdma.

[murbard2]

I think my comment come of as too literal. It wasn't meant to imply that there is nothing of value to the club experience, but rather that a busy and loud environment like a club may over-highlight the stimulant aspects of the drug and tone down its more exceptional empathogenic traits, reportedly.

[cozzie131]

Don't knock on other's cup of tea. There's a reason it's so popular because it's really nice.

[boredtofears]

Couldn't disagree more (about it being wasted). It can definitely open your eye up to music you wouldn't have made yourself available to and let you enjoy it in ways you've never experienced.

[andelink]

Not wasted on raves at all. It’s an amazing experience out at a show. But it’s also equally amazing in a quieter environment with close friends / loved ones. It significantly increases empathy, allowing for opening up and connecting with others in a really special way

[paxys]

"Other forms of having fun are wrong, only the ones I like are objectively correct."

[spacemadness]

That’s a hot take from someone who has apparently no experience with either. MDMA and experiencing music with others can also be a net positive.