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Juicyy | 2 years ago

new CEO... new priorities. How is the top automaker on top? making good moves.

Toyota has been correct that hybrids have been the best setup for the past 10 and next 10 years. Charging infra is catching up but a major bottleneck. Range too.

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panick21_|2 years ago

And yet Tesla is making almost the same profit as Toyota while also building up a gigantic service, sales and charging network. And investing in its own battery research, battery cells and its own battery production equipment.

Clearly they would have preferred to make some of that profit instead.

fwungy|2 years ago

90 HEV = 6 PHEV = 1 BEV, 90:6:1 is Toyota's opinion.

You get way more zero emission VMT using batteries in the HEV and PHEV role. A lot of BEVs are second or third cars for wealthy people who keep some sort of ICE as well. Those cars don't generate lots of VMT so their batteries are effectively being wasted.

panick21_|2 years ago

HEV are just slightly more efficient, they still use 100% fossil fuels and still produce harmful emissions right in places where humans breath it.

In terms of 6 PHEV to 1 EV. This math comes with a lot of issues. First, it only works if people actually plug in their PHEV constantly and evince shows that they don't. And if you don't a PHEV is just a ICE vehicle with a shitty engine.

Plus the issue with PHEV is that they are expensive and complex to produce. Most car companies don't really like them because its hard to make any money on them and unlike with BEV there isn't a path to making money on them in the future. Specially as the ICE supply chain increasingly goes away.

Also even if Toyota thinks PHEV are good, there clearly is a large demand for BEV and Toyota is large enough that they could have done both just fine. Had they just invested in BEV instead of Hydrogen maybe they could be a leading player in HEV, PHEV and BEV.

ZeroGravitas|2 years ago

Unless those wealthy people are keeping their second car an unusually long time, while basically never driving it, they'll still get driven enough to recoup the up front carbon by a second or third owner.