The age of this post really drives home the inevitability of software enshittification.
> Unroll.me
The same Unroll.me that was found to be selling customer purchase data (because users gave it access to all emails) [0]
> Pocket
Used to pull full-text articles from interesting sites for offline reading, now defaults to content mill sites and sends you to the live web page unless you have airplane mode on.
> Quora
Genuinely a wonderful site to be on circa 2012, it had the "old internet" feel where knowledgeable people would write detailed answers. Now it's been completely gamed and become an SEO channel for SaaS companies, lazy answers from content writers trying to get visibility.
That's the one that fascinates me - the Mozilla folks really shouldn't have the bigcorp "let's eat our seed corn today because nothing except this quarter matters" motive or even really a profit motive at all. It was a perfect opportunity to add a neat feature to their browser and maybe make a little money with high-quality promoted articles.
But no, it pretty much immediately turned into a pipeline to shovel the largest possible quantity of garbage into in pursuit of whatever pittance they make from it, and the only downside is that anyone who opens their flagship product is immediately overwhelmed with a page full of internet barrel-scrapings. Which, you know, couldn't possibly be bad for the product, could it?
The issue of reading and organizing content is not primarily about what kind of software you should use to store things. The main problem is figuring out how to make sense of it all when seeking out the material and while reading it.
Moreover, if you're using third-party tools, you now have two problems: managing and organising content AND managing those tools and keeping track of their sunsets and shutdowns.
(I've been bitten by that last twice, and still have un-migrated Readability articles. Made all the worse by the fact that Readability at some point employed its own URL-redirecting link-shortener ... which of course also went offline.)
If I come across an article I want to come back to, I add it to my Zotero [1]. You can choose what level of snapshot to capture; I save thorough enough webpages to not have to worry about linkrot.
I already had Zotero set up for academic papers, but it probably is good enough to recommend over pocket or Unroll.me or any other ersatz solution.
It has browser plugins, syncing, both tags and folders, and it's free. You can pay them to sync larger files if you like, or you can use Zotfile.
Around the same time this article was written I created a tool called birdmine which indexed every link tweeted by you or someone you follow on Twitter using a solr search engine then allowed you to search it. It we just a personal search engine based on your Twitter feed. I’m not sure how many people used it, but I used it quite a bit and it was really useful.
When I want to preserve online content, the first step is to take it offline by storing a local copy. Usually by using something like Reader Viewer and exporting it to PDF. That sometimes doesn't look as good as the website, but content is more important. The directory is indexed by `recoil`, so I can later access this and similar content.
As I've noted, the Einkbro web browser (optimised for e-ink, though usable on emissive-display devices as well, Android only) has a "save to ePub" feature.
This does, of course, strip all site styling. Images / artwork may be preserved, depending on how they are presented in the original HTML. (If using <img> tags, yes, if served through JS ... not so much.)
What's genius, though, is that multiple articles can be saved to a single document, which can be appended over time.
I use this to group items by similar topic, project, or interest, or to create a "BOTI" archive, where "BOTI" stands for "best of the interval". The idea here is to select the best items over a given period of time (week, month, year, etc., though I seem to be settling on six to twelve months), and organise those in a single place. You've Still Got to Read It[tm], but at least you've organised the material.
Reading this on an e-book reader, using the bookreader software, is also virtually always preferable to reading the same content online in a Web browser.
I do this as well, but I don't like setting it to Reader Mode because the site design disappears. Unfortunately it's necessary because "print to PDF" will obscure text due to including the stupid sticky nav bars and cookie notices in the PDF.
Onenote can be good for this (if you're OK with Microsoft) - the Clip to Onenote browser extension is pretty decent, and it save the page content, link, and time of capture.
I think it must be the case that the extent to which a person finds high levels of organization useful is due to individualized brain chemistry / personality. I've put in the effort to organize things in the past and just found that it wasn't very helpful to me. No matter how good my organization was — and I'm sure there was room for improvement — it just didn't end up being worth the effort; the benefits were marginal at best. And I would usually just end up searching through what I'd saved and that seemed faster than navigating some hierarchical organized thing. I also suspect that for some people, the act of organizing itself is really the primary pay off, less so the resulting organization. For others still, the act of organizing is vaguely therapeutic, something akin to tending to one's perfect little garden.
I noticed the article was from 2013 when it started raving about Evernote. Which is not a bad thing per se because Evernote is still great for a lot of things it did ten years ago, but I'd be curious to know whether the author is still using Evernote.
Evernote was really great for a little while. In 2015, when I purchased my first mobile device, I realized I needed to get up into the cloud, and one of my local-only apps was note taking in Ubuntu Linux. So I auditioned a few apps and decided that Evernote was really nice, and cross-platform, and had plenty of offline functionality. It was good, it had good features that I appreciated, and in fact I used it so heavily for notetaking that it became my de facto password manager. I found that I was recording lots of notes about every account I had (many real-world-related accounts, such as utilities and benefits) and so it was totally logical to just put credentials in there too. Yep, unencrypted!
Evernote really helped during an intensive job search. I could clip the entire job listing to an article on Evernote, and I could refer to the full text later on. I could also add notes to it in any form! Nice!
At the time, I was also using Dropbox for cloud storage. I exited both Dropbox and Evernote eventually. Now I just use Google Workspaces for everything; no complaints.
I'm using instapaper to forward articles to my mostly offline iPad Mini. Pocket failed miserably at saving articles offline, no matter what I did. It just didn't save them.
I just wrote a bookmark manager for myself, because I couldn't find one which utilizes the concept of exclusive tagging. It's a web app and does NOT have a "read it later" feature (it just links the live website).
You can test it at sharkbookmark.com
It's free. No ads, no BS.
Use feedly? Duh. Following a feed functionality which is a pretty basic feature is a bug for weeks now in the mobile app. It's not the best reader to go!
lately i am using omnivore with obsidian plugin. Since it does save it also localy i can read it without internet. I am saving low priority ones with pocket and better & important stuff to obsidian through omnivore.
I wish I could find an easy way to manage my workflow. I want to save article text to a iCloud-synced folder and have the articles work with text-to-speech tools to listen to them while I do chores. I’ve been using GoodLinks to archive pages but the text doesn’t get extracted and saved in my iCloud storage, so I can’t guarantee that my articles will be available to read years later. I’ve been using Ad Auris to read my articles to me, but it doesn’t work with paywalls.
[+] [-] rchaud|2 years ago|reply
> Unroll.me
The same Unroll.me that was found to be selling customer purchase data (because users gave it access to all emails) [0]
> Pocket
Used to pull full-text articles from interesting sites for offline reading, now defaults to content mill sites and sends you to the live web page unless you have airplane mode on.
> Quora
Genuinely a wonderful site to be on circa 2012, it had the "old internet" feel where knowledgeable people would write detailed answers. Now it's been completely gamed and become an SEO channel for SaaS companies, lazy answers from content writers trying to get visibility.
[0]: https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/17/21027159/unroll-me-email...
[+] [-] CommieBobDole|2 years ago|reply
That's the one that fascinates me - the Mozilla folks really shouldn't have the bigcorp "let's eat our seed corn today because nothing except this quarter matters" motive or even really a profit motive at all. It was a perfect opportunity to add a neat feature to their browser and maybe make a little money with high-quality promoted articles.
But no, it pretty much immediately turned into a pipeline to shovel the largest possible quantity of garbage into in pursuit of whatever pittance they make from it, and the only downside is that anyone who opens their flagship product is immediately overwhelmed with a page full of internet barrel-scrapings. Which, you know, couldn't possibly be bad for the product, could it?
[+] [-] darreninthenet|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] the-printer|2 years ago|reply
Decent insight:
- https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/p/the-answer-is-not...
- https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/p/narrative-collaps...
[+] [-] dredmorbius|2 years ago|reply
Moreover, if you're using third-party tools, you now have two problems: managing and organising content AND managing those tools and keeping track of their sunsets and shutdowns.
(I've been bitten by that last twice, and still have un-migrated Readability articles. Made all the worse by the fact that Readability at some point employed its own URL-redirecting link-shortener ... which of course also went offline.)
[+] [-] rchaud|2 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] MengerSponge|2 years ago|reply
I already had Zotero set up for academic papers, but it probably is good enough to recommend over pocket or Unroll.me or any other ersatz solution.
It has browser plugins, syncing, both tags and folders, and it's free. You can pay them to sync larger files if you like, or you can use Zotfile.
1) https://www.zotero.org/
[+] [-] dredmorbius|2 years ago|reply
Sadly, no full-featured Android apps.
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[+] [-] dredmorbius|2 years ago|reply
This does, of course, strip all site styling. Images / artwork may be preserved, depending on how they are presented in the original HTML. (If using <img> tags, yes, if served through JS ... not so much.)
What's genius, though, is that multiple articles can be saved to a single document, which can be appended over time.
I use this to group items by similar topic, project, or interest, or to create a "BOTI" archive, where "BOTI" stands for "best of the interval". The idea here is to select the best items over a given period of time (week, month, year, etc., though I seem to be settling on six to twelve months), and organise those in a single place. You've Still Got to Read It[tm], but at least you've organised the material.
Reading this on an e-book reader, using the bookreader software, is also virtually always preferable to reading the same content online in a Web browser.
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[+] [-] phemartin|2 years ago|reply
e.g. Try listening to this article here (8-min): https://playtext.app/doc/clj1b548r0000md0f4s62n8t7
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Evernote really helped during an intensive job search. I could clip the entire job listing to an article on Evernote, and I could refer to the full text later on. I could also add notes to it in any form! Nice!
At the time, I was also using Dropbox for cloud storage. I exited both Dropbox and Evernote eventually. Now I just use Google Workspaces for everything; no complaints.
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https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2021/reintroducing-readlists/
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