I wish Lemmy's default design was more of a copy of old.reddit.com. For me, that design was better than both HackerNews' design and way better than the current default look of Lemmy instances.
old.reddit.com looks rather dated to this 53 y/o bloke. Very busy too. I don't actually care because content is king and presentation is not but it would be nice if it looks good. Modern Reddit looks OK to me but I have recently deleted all comments I've ever made on Reddit and also my account. I will keep the mail alias alive for a while to see what shite turns up.
For me Reddit was a new and vaguely exciting thing once and I used it for around a decade and have now discarded it. I've dumped the Register too after around 20 years. I have no idea why I still have a /. account! that's next along with Facebook.
Back in the day I was asked to investigate this new fangled world wide web thing by an org with loads of cash and twiddling thumbs and I reported back it looked a lot like Gopher and WAIS but different. I might have also mentioned Teletext too.
I'm not an evangelist worth listening to but I've been here before. Just allow yourself to destroy accounts on systems that are no longer useful or productive anymore.
I am a fan of the software but I agree that the default design is horrible, it would probably serve Lemmy to get that addressed ASAP to get more people in the door.
It's open source, any UI/UX people spot some low-hanging fruit?
Same. However it seems most people don't like the old.reddit look, only 4% of redditors use it. Most people are content with the slow bloated new reddit.
When redditors talked about what sites to migrate to most of them preferred the modern interfaces over text based ones like tildes.net.
Completely agree. More so because font sizing is IMHO all over the place. I'm using my OS and browsers' zoom because I'm visually impaired and than Lemmy is kind of a mess.
There were some Lemmy-related discussions going on this past weekend. I think this is the one tidbit everyone around Hacker News wants to know:
> The current VPS couldn't be resized that much anymore, and load was going up with all the new users. So I bought the same server at Hetzner: a 32-core/64 thread 128GB RAM dedicated server. (For Mastodon, I doubled the RAM. For Lemmy I don't think it's needed yet.) I migrated the Lemmy software and database there, and moved over. This took 4 minutes of downtime.
So 32-core/64-threads with 128GB of RAM is running Lemmy.world, which is supporting ~36.7k users at the moment.
32 cores and/or 128GB RAM - for how many concurrent users, 36.7k? It seems like Lemmy requires a fair bit of resources per user for a primarily text-based API, more than I'd expected. Wonder where the majority of the resource burden lies - uncached local database queries? Too many simultaneous database connections?
with some basic extrapolation, at how many users they'll hit the extra expensive Hertzner servers? or in other words, at which point they'll need to improve their architecture?
> I started paying for the Lemmy cloud servers from the mastodon.world funds.
Did this person ask to the mastodon.world Patreon [1] and Open Collective [2] supporters that he was going to use money for other project? If not, seems disingenuous to me.
Having worked in the tech legal and compliance, privacy, and security spaces for a very long time the idea of letting thousands of strangers upload binary files to a server I’m legally liable for is terrifying.
Even "text" files can be encoded binary files -- it was a big shift in USENET.
I had a heated discussion with some Nostr advocates who thought that by calling servers "avocados" or something, then they wouldn't be responsible for what users posted on the "avocados".
I've not looked into ActivityPub or the Fediverse enough to know what is hosted locally and would (not) be protected by Sec 230, but it might drive some centralization toward corporations or other accountable organizations.
In practice, I think only the NSFW Lemmy's have to be worried.
This isn't straight binary file hosting. Its just text, image, and video. Images/Video can get into trouble but if you have a Safe-for-work only policy and defederate from NSFW instances, you're probably in the clear?
And I'm pretty sure any large amount of data is going to be throttled. So not even "big" videos are going to be hosted, more like a few-second .mp4 memes at best.
I want lemmy to succeed, but if it doesnt change, it never will.
I got the idea of "Ill find some communities from reddit there". Typed Lemmy into google, first result was relevant - good there. Got to mainpage, decision to join or create server - well, I chose join coz that seemed more instant.
But then it made me chose between several instances with no instant info about how will my choice affect what I see, and I just gave up there. I dont want to choose instance, I dont want to learn how it works. I want content first, and if I like it, then maybe I learn the inner workings to get more of it.
But as it stands now theres just no way Lemmy will ever become mainstream.
It feels like there's an easy fix for this too. Instances already have an about section. Simply add a short form version that can be used in circumstances like this.
lemmy.world, for whatever reason, absolutely guzzles CPU cycles. I can't imagine what it could possibly need to do that requires executing that much javascript. It's all minimized, so it's hard to follow in the profiler.
Took a look at mastodon.world out of curiosity. Total conformity of belief on the entire front page timeline. Maybe it’s another one of those Mastodon instances where anti-capitalist social justice is the approved dogma, and dissenters are banned? Seems to be a lot of those…
Sorry to see you are being downvoted for making an observation.
I have been looking across various Lemmy instances and I recall seeing one or two that was cyberpunk-based or technology-focused in their local streams, but far too many have the "smug American Liberal" [1] style comments that made me leave Reddit [2].
Simply spinning up another community is not a quick fix either. Concern trolling means Centrist communities simply do not last, as they eventually get overrun by extremists of one kind of another. It's far, far too easy to take a complex argument and have it dishonestly re-interpreted in a negative way as a a one line meme in public communities. Weeding these people out is far more of a challenge than banning violent remarks, racists and child abusers, as well-meaning people will inevitably misunderstand.
The solution to this is small private communities and group chats with people you trust, personally. You won't get the hit from having constant content to consume, but it's not as bad for you; getting in the door is the real problem.
Federated social media is currently predominantly housing innovators (maybe already some early adopters? One can hope). Innovators tend to look forward and are very open to change. With that mindset it's not hard to see how painfully obvious it is that capitalism isn't sustainable, while we absolutely need to move to a sustainable future. What that sustainable economic system looks like is obviously still unknown, hence lots of discussion.
The default Lemmy deployment docs don't have a lot of breathing room.
It would be reasonable to break off the postgres server Lemmy uses to a separate server, but at the moment there is only an Ansible playbook or a docker compose file, both of which assume a single server.
There's only so much time in the day and it's much easier to size up than reimplement the install process.
[+] [-] eigenspace|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] gerdesj|2 years ago|reply
For me Reddit was a new and vaguely exciting thing once and I used it for around a decade and have now discarded it. I've dumped the Register too after around 20 years. I have no idea why I still have a /. account! that's next along with Facebook.
Back in the day I was asked to investigate this new fangled world wide web thing by an org with loads of cash and twiddling thumbs and I reported back it looked a lot like Gopher and WAIS but different. I might have also mentioned Teletext too.
I'm not an evangelist worth listening to but I've been here before. Just allow yourself to destroy accounts on systems that are no longer useful or productive anymore.
Move on.
[+] [-] courseofaction|2 years ago|reply
It's open source, any UI/UX people spot some low-hanging fruit?
https://github.com/LemmyNet/
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[+] [-] Okawari|2 years ago|reply
I'm kinda intrigued by https://fedibb.ml/, which replicates the default phpBB theme.
[+] [-] rglullis|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] tester457|2 years ago|reply
When redditors talked about what sites to migrate to most of them preferred the modern interfaces over text based ones like tildes.net.
[+] [-] ronsor|2 years ago|reply
[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160216023609/https://voat.co/
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[+] [-] dragontamer|2 years ago|reply
> The current VPS couldn't be resized that much anymore, and load was going up with all the new users. So I bought the same server at Hetzner: a 32-core/64 thread 128GB RAM dedicated server. (For Mastodon, I doubled the RAM. For Lemmy I don't think it's needed yet.) I migrated the Lemmy software and database there, and moved over. This took 4 minutes of downtime.
So 32-core/64-threads with 128GB of RAM is running Lemmy.world, which is supporting ~36.7k users at the moment.
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A brief look at Hertzner comes up with: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax161
A 32-core/64 thread + 128GB RAM server in Germany for 142 EUR / month.
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[+] [-] pentagrama|2 years ago|reply
Did this person ask to the mastodon.world Patreon [1] and Open Collective [2] supporters that he was going to use money for other project? If not, seems disingenuous to me.
[1] https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld
[2] https://opencollective.com/mastodonworld
[+] [-] TX81Z|2 years ago|reply
[+] [-] brightlancer|2 years ago|reply
I had a heated discussion with some Nostr advocates who thought that by calling servers "avocados" or something, then they wouldn't be responsible for what users posted on the "avocados".
I've not looked into ActivityPub or the Fediverse enough to know what is hosted locally and would (not) be protected by Sec 230, but it might drive some centralization toward corporations or other accountable organizations.
[+] [-] dragontamer|2 years ago|reply
This isn't straight binary file hosting. Its just text, image, and video. Images/Video can get into trouble but if you have a Safe-for-work only policy and defederate from NSFW instances, you're probably in the clear?
And I'm pretty sure any large amount of data is going to be throttled. So not even "big" videos are going to be hosted, more like a few-second .mp4 memes at best.
[+] [-] MaxikCZ|2 years ago|reply
I got the idea of "Ill find some communities from reddit there". Typed Lemmy into google, first result was relevant - good there. Got to mainpage, decision to join or create server - well, I chose join coz that seemed more instant.
But then it made me chose between several instances with no instant info about how will my choice affect what I see, and I just gave up there. I dont want to choose instance, I dont want to learn how it works. I want content first, and if I like it, then maybe I learn the inner workings to get more of it.
But as it stands now theres just no way Lemmy will ever become mainstream.
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It became the largest a few hours ago!
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I have been looking across various Lemmy instances and I recall seeing one or two that was cyberpunk-based or technology-focused in their local streams, but far too many have the "smug American Liberal" [1] style comments that made me leave Reddit [2].
Simply spinning up another community is not a quick fix either. Concern trolling means Centrist communities simply do not last, as they eventually get overrun by extremists of one kind of another. It's far, far too easy to take a complex argument and have it dishonestly re-interpreted in a negative way as a a one line meme in public communities. Weeding these people out is far more of a challenge than banning violent remarks, racists and child abusers, as well-meaning people will inevitably misunderstand.
The solution to this is small private communities and group chats with people you trust, personally. You won't get the hit from having constant content to consume, but it's not as bad for you; getting in the door is the real problem.
[1] https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberal... [2] Signing up for an account because the defaults are crazy is not a viable solution
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[+] [-] toomuchtodo|2 years ago|reply
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29927630
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[+] [-] spicyusername|2 years ago|reply
It would be reasonable to break off the postgres server Lemmy uses to a separate server, but at the moment there is only an Ansible playbook or a docker compose file, both of which assume a single server.
There's only so much time in the day and it's much easier to size up than reimplement the install process.