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lardo | 2 years ago

I had a coworker who fled South Africa for the Netherlands 5+ years ago. I remember being surprised when he said it was the violence he was fleeing.

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zo1|2 years ago

It's not so bad - just don't go to dodgy areas. Everyone that lives here knows not to go to those places or to be alone when vulnerable.

Violence wise, I'd rather live here than in places like London or most of the places in America with high thug-culture populations.

darth_avocado|2 years ago

>It’s not so bad

Ohh it is. Racially charged farm attacks are in the news, but apart from that, violence is very high in the country. Murder and rape crime statistics are some of the highest in the world. And that is after allegations of corruption and underreporting of crime.

atonse|2 years ago

Ironic that you say that second sentence after saying the first :-)

Because that's _exactly_ what we'd say about those other countries. Stay out of the dodgy areas etc, the gang violence etc is typically hyper local and worst in certain neighborhoods.

filoleg|2 years ago

> Violence wise, I'd rather live here than in places like London or most of the places in America with high thug-culture populations.

If you have a preference for living in higher violence areas, that's your choice, but I don't think many will share that view.

As one other comment had pointed out, the murder rate in SA is about 40 times that of England. It isn't even comparable, so I don't see how one can make a solid argument for "but violence-wise, SA is better despite having an x40 murder rate".

mrguyorama|2 years ago

What the heck is "thug culture populations"?