Ironically, the article seems to briefly forget that we're dealing with a fellow human being here. How cruel is it to discuss him publicly, and diagnose him publicly? Do you think it's impossible that he'd end up reading any of this? How would that feel, to have a bunch of people discussing what they guess your health problems to be?
People generally cannot be helped unless they want to be. Sharing his personal information in some misguided attempt to "help" is not likely to turn out well. And unfortunately, as a practical matter, no community should be expected to tolerate a stream of senseless diatribes just because of the person writing them.
To some extent, everyone is responsible for their own well-being. Very few people completely lack any self-awareness; if you know you have a health problem, whether mental or otherwise, it is your responsibility to seek help. It's a responsibility you owe yourself, your family and friends, and society.
Other than that, we shouldn't be discussing people like this.
Hi I'm the author of the article. Thanks for your comment.
* I didn't post the article here and I wrote it in about 70 minutes; I had no intention of opening up this discussion in HN.
* All the information is very public, most of it authored by the gentleman in promotional materials.
* The article is about accepting and awareness. There's been much harsher words said about the individual and his project.
* The article is mostly in praise of his accomplishments.
* I have known very similar people and so this hit me on a personal level.
* As an article there's some general rules that yield a good read. I guess I could have been non-specific, or asked for consent of the family, I didn't know this was going to gain so much traction.
>Very few people completely lack any self-awareness; if you know you have a health problem, whether mental or otherwise, it is your responsibility to seek help. It's a responsibility you owe yourself, your family and friends, and society.
Clearly you've had the good luck to never have had to deal with any mental health problem ever. The problem with mental health problems is that when your mind isn't functioning properly, how can you be expected to diagnosis yourself and seek treatment? It's like expecting a broken robot to repair itself. For example, when depression robs you of all motivation and the very will to live, how can you be expected to recognize the symptoms and go out there and seek help?
Exactly this. To think that doctors can diagnose a person over the internet is already far stretched, since some health problems need examinations, tests and proper studying about the nature of the problem and the ones that they do are doing it by using specific websites and they emphasize how they cannot do a proper diagnosis but just interpret the symptoms - not talking about psychological issues exclusively here.
But for members of community to point their finger saying "this guy has this, can't you tell?" is brutal. Just brutal. If you really care about a person's health (especially when it's psychological) you don't do this. Instead, you try to come in contact with him or family or at worst with some professional around his town and treat him with the dignity an ill human deserves to be treated. This feels like we're all discussing about him in the town square and when he comes by we'll just give him the stare while he walks around. How's that helpful?
Cruel? It's sick. Mo matter how much "socially acceptable" it is, it doesn't make it less wrong.
With most things that can be seen as contentious, it's worth asking 'what good could come from this?'. In the case of this article, I think that people might be reminded to be more sympathetic when they encounter someone who is experiencing mental illness.
However, the way a person actually relates to their own experiences while classed as mentally ill is a personal thing. Lack of understanding is probably the biggest barrier - and well meaning sympathy isn't always going to have a positive effect on someone's well-being. It might actual just compound the problem.
I think there's an element of the freak-show here, because the guy who's the subject of the article is being used as 'exhibit a' in a discussion of what can manifest from mental illness. On the flip side - mental illness does seem to be an area of life that's rarely discussed openly.
Rather than stand by and look at the wreckage - it's probably more constructive to think about what can be done to help tackle mental health issues more generally. http://www.mind.org.uk/ is a UK-based charity who are doing good things in this area.
Agree about the public disclosure, but disagree that a mentally ill person can be expected to be responsible for their own wellbeing. It's logically impossible. And btw medication works quite well.
Exactly. When talking about an ill person generally you just use the first name (more often not the real first name), and make sure it's not obvious who you are talking about.
I've read a fair share of psychiatric books and they all have this "rule".
The OP should at the very least edit out the name of the person and remove references to his work.
I'm glad someone has said this, I was looking at LoseThos's long, long list of dead posts on HN a few days ago, it is deeply tragic, a clearly talented guy that has lost his grip on reality. It would be interesting to hear from him the steps that led to his current situation. From some of his comments he seems like he is aware of his condition, yet his self awareness doesn't lead to self control, to me this is fascinating. Of course, if he replies to this his comment will be dead, so here's a question - are the HN mods right to silence an account from a clearly very talented technical guy because of his mental illness?
are the HN mods right to silence an account from a clearly very talented technical guy because of his mental illness?
I've also wondered about this. It's OK to use the silencing for real spammers, but for people that are considered annoying/offtopic for other reasons I think it's better to confront them directly. At least let them know that they were banned and why. It'd be the human thing to do.
Davis relentless in his work, as you can see from his OS, but that also applies to his posting. He can easily drown a forum in a few hours by posting hundreds of messages, with most of his content being generated by his, very naive, random text generators.
Off-topic posts are noise that make it harder for people with limited time to participate in HN. It would be nice to make an exception for rare and tragic cases, especially one like this where the guy has made valuable contributions in the past, but if we created a mental health exemption, it would just become an achievement badge for trolls.
If you're interested, many mentally ill people are very eager to communicate, and I'm sure you can find them on the web.
I don't like the way LoseThos is being cut off from the community he seems to want to be apart of. He is mostly harmless. I'd say his operating system is a work of art. It is a unique and interesting exploration of computing coupled with almost raw chaos. I am inspired by it.
Occasionally, people fall apart. I don't think they should be ostracized when they need help and friends the most. We should be more tolerant of ideas and people you may not like but who are still deserving of respect and recognition.
It's less about "intolerance of ideas" and more about "intolerance of disruptive racism" (and that's setting aside the spam spewed all over the place by his random number generators).
Have any of you who are painting him as some rejected genius even read his comments? There is a reason he was hellbanned years ago. His OS is neat and all, but those types of comments shouldn't be accepted and it's the right thing for them to be automatically dead. He knows he's hellbanned and continues to post them.
I saw this when it was originally posted and decided not to comment then, but seeing it gain some momentum, I'm ignoring my better judgement. For a long time I was ill. My family was horribly poor when I was growing up, so the only doctors I saw were in state run institutions. Paranoia meant I never shared the reality I experienced, instead I only shared enough to get a mild "well, he's a teenager". I barely held on to sanity for a good number of years, eventually ending up where other's lives depended on me, so I sought help. I went through all manner of diagnoses and medications. The common side effect was that of, well, making my brain slow. Things that used to be easy, weren't anymore. I eventually found a doctor who ran a wide battery of tests with the end result being, if I read on an institution, he could have used those tests to keep me there. The final diagnosis was schizotypal personality disorder. Along came a battery of more medication, worse with the new diagnosis.
These new medications did wonders, but in addition to being slow, I was a foreign person to myself. And I kinda didn't like some aspects of that guy. So, with the help of the doctor, I went off my medication and developed new coping techniques. It's been 8 years, I've had some bad days and some good, I've got some odd habits, but unless someone watches me for a period of time, they wouldn't even notice.
All this to say, mental illness is a real illness, it's almost always manageable, but without the cooperation of the ill, there is no fixing it. And at the same time, the well person may be completely foreign, making the experience even more traumatic. Someone in the thread asked if folks would hire someone who said they were ill in an interview, but were being treated. I see the question as would you hire someone with only one leg. If they can do the job and fit well with the team, of course I would.
I've been thinking about the trajectory of knowledge lately and I've noticed that some of the really great mathematics work (e.g. Grigori Perelman) seems to come from outsiders, those who reject the establishment on some level.
Given the incredible depth and breadth of David's work work, I'm starting to believe that we are more likely to find a true solution to P =? NP in the notebook of someone like this than in a scholarly journal. There are not many of us, even here on HN, that have the willpower to pull off something like LoseThos.
> I've noticed that some of the really great mathematics
> work (e.g. Grigori Perelman) seems to come from
> outsiders,
That impression may simply be bias at work. Put together and successful do not form an interesting narrative; mentally ill and successful definitely do. We have a tendency to ignore, or take for granted, outstanding accomplishments that fail to involve weirdness. Within the circus of intellectual greatness, normality isn't interesting.
In fact, I'd suggest the opposite of your proposal. Breakthroughs do require obsession, yes, and a certain awkwardness comes with the territory. True mental illness and grossly maladjusted behavior, however, generally stand in the way of attaining them (except, of course, for a handful and thus famous cases). Don't look further than Perelman's struggles.
A sobering and timely read for me also. Lately I have been considering the cross-section between social-acceptance and creative work: we applaud the work of anyone who pushes the boundaries of creativity and innovation, but only if they stay coherent. That's just not something you can promise yourself as you start off on a new tangent, there is a lot of failure involved and much of that failure is how you will be perceived. Looking into this operating system reminds me of looking into the slightly-less coherent mind of David Lynch or Lewis Carroll. Fascinating and frightening glimpses of brilliance.
Paranoia can be a major symptom of schizophrenia and many other mental illnesses .. and you guys are analysing this poor guy like some kind of lab rat .. how do you think this will affect him?
It's a very fine line between genius and insanity.
Some cross the line and come back, some cross to never return. I have a friend who has been busy now for 2 decades+ working on a CAD system in 68000 assembly, which he believes is the next big thing. He's bulding it on an ancient Atari ST.
The world has long moved on in just about every sense of the word and yet he's solidly stuck in a past that is no longer alive except to him. Everybody around him has had plenty of talks to explain what's going on and he steadfastly refuses any and all input on the subject.
The interesting part is that even though he's unemployed he is working on his passion every day for the largest part of the day, he's building something that is absolutely incredible and he's having tons of fun doing it.
Makes you wonder if he's all that crazy.
'Losethos' is doing something similar, he is building something for which there apparently is no need. But that may be just our perception. Maybe the creative act is his way of showing the world what he can do.
This seems like a bad idea. There are (or at least used to be) a couple of rants about his doctors on his website, so it's clear he's getting treatment of some variety. There's also a reference to his parents, who presumably have been put through enough by his illness without a swarm of internet strangers calling them at home to gawk at their son like a sideshow freak.
I don't see what the big deal is. He's a completely endearing a lovable guy if a bit eccentric, just like all the best in our field. I loved listening to his demo video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAr-xYtBFbY), it had me smiling all the way through.
His joy of experience in knowledge and production and problem solving is what hooked me on computers in the first place.
If you think he's crazy, you should go see Stallman talk.
The idea that mental illness is nothing more than a label we give to those with a different perception of the world is extremely naive. I used to subscribe to it too until I saw what schizophrenia looks in real life. I don't think I've ever seen a human being more miserable than my friend who has it. The suffering is very real and severe.
There is a very fine line between eccentric and schizophrenic.
So the big deal here imo is that this man was able to do such an amazing work despite his condition.
I hope someone is taking care of him? Just wondering because many mental illnesses can be handled very well with proper medication and therapy. He is so talented he could do great things with the illness handled properly.
I think there is a lot of grey area here. Are 9/11 conspiracy theorists and Holocaust deniers mentally ill? I think many of them are, at least in some kind of mild form. Is the Time-Cube guy? Almost certainly. Are we allowed to make fun of them? I'm not sure anymore.
I can't find the site anymore, but I remember a similar case of a guy that has a website with a lot of material dedicated to some kind of LabVIEW-Style graphical programming that will revolutionize the software industry. The other half of his website are Bible prophecies.
Hi, I'm the actual author of the article (it was posted by someone else ... I'm flattered). Anyway, as an atheist its really hard for me sometimes.
There are certainly healthy, productive, happy members of society that have deep religious convictions. So be it.
But when people think they have an active full discourse with God and God is literally conversing with them and is furthermore telling them to do things that actually yield no results (Do X and Y will happen, and then Y never does), things get difficult.
Balancing the liberty of a person with what needs to be done to effectively empower them is a difficult task.
Question for the people looking to employ: If "Fred"[1] disclosed a history of a serious mental health problem at interview, and said that he was compliant with treatment which kept him symptom free (but with a few minor side-effects from medication) would you hire?
How would you feel if Fred disclosed after interview, at the point where you offer him the job?
How would you feel if Fred disclosed after he started the job?
[1] Fred is a totally hypothetical person with, for example, a diagnosis of schizophrenia.
Arguably the world's greatest single intellectual body of work, the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, was written by a guy locked up in his room alone.
If his work required significant ongoing interaction with the rest of the team though, I might be more hesitant to hire.
Sure. If you're worried about employee mental health problems, you want to screen out the (untreatable) psychopaths and people with borderline personality disorder. My understanding is that those two problems are vastly more of a business risk than, say, garden variety schizophrenia.
What exactly is it about losethos's cognitive patterns that you find "insane"? (honest question)
I have spent quite some time reading miscellaneous forum threads by him and have found nothing that shocks me as profoundly "mentally ill". Sure, the guy sees some strange patterns in the noise, but don't we all? Most of us just have enough sense not to share them publicly, or enough existential fear to censor our own thinking.
If we take the lack of cognitive self-censorhip to be a criterion for establishing "insanity", then are we not guilty of the same intellectual laziness we point out when we discuss "thinking inside box"?
That is, if someone professes to one "insane" (== not generally accepted as "true", to the point of ridicule) idea, does that invalidate the rest of ideas they originated? What about two? How many "insane" ideas must one express to have the rest of one's ideas invalidated? Or must the ideas be considered independently of the source?
If you don't find the slip-sliding from strangely-worded technical discussion into invocations of the Godhead as explanations for why he only runs at certain monitor resolutions as clear indications of delusion I think you may be trying too hard to be accepting. In doing so you're fooling yourself.
Can anyone suggest to me what to do if we think one of our good friends is displaying evidence of undiagnosed mental illness? (specifically schizophrenia)
They're self-medicating with marijuana and alcohol and displaying increasingly erratic behaviour. At the same time I know their potential for genius but see their potential hampered by their problems.
Our wider social network has noticed it and are electing me to talk with my friend but I really don't know what I can say that'll help VS push them away.
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You can download 2004
http://web.archive.org/web/20040606212724/http://www.simstructure.hare.com/OS.htm
Funding? No, helplessly watched my 5 year window go by from FBI prison.
I had 10,000 firm downloads in the last 3 years. I only got 15 emails over 5 years, all FBI.
That's okay -- it's in God's court.
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^This is so sad. I think I can sense what's he trying to tell. He's a genius; hope he will be fine.
[+] [-] thaumaturgy|14 years ago|reply
People generally cannot be helped unless they want to be. Sharing his personal information in some misguided attempt to "help" is not likely to turn out well. And unfortunately, as a practical matter, no community should be expected to tolerate a stream of senseless diatribes just because of the person writing them.
To some extent, everyone is responsible for their own well-being. Very few people completely lack any self-awareness; if you know you have a health problem, whether mental or otherwise, it is your responsibility to seek help. It's a responsibility you owe yourself, your family and friends, and society.
Other than that, we shouldn't be discussing people like this.
[+] [-] kristopolous|14 years ago|reply
* I didn't post the article here and I wrote it in about 70 minutes; I had no intention of opening up this discussion in HN.
* All the information is very public, most of it authored by the gentleman in promotional materials.
* The article is about accepting and awareness. There's been much harsher words said about the individual and his project.
* The article is mostly in praise of his accomplishments.
* I have known very similar people and so this hit me on a personal level.
* As an article there's some general rules that yield a good read. I guess I could have been non-specific, or asked for consent of the family, I didn't know this was going to gain so much traction.
[+] [-] kiloaper|14 years ago|reply
Clearly you've had the good luck to never have had to deal with any mental health problem ever. The problem with mental health problems is that when your mind isn't functioning properly, how can you be expected to diagnosis yourself and seek treatment? It's like expecting a broken robot to repair itself. For example, when depression robs you of all motivation and the very will to live, how can you be expected to recognize the symptoms and go out there and seek help?
[+] [-] Nathandim|14 years ago|reply
But for members of community to point their finger saying "this guy has this, can't you tell?" is brutal. Just brutal. If you really care about a person's health (especially when it's psychological) you don't do this. Instead, you try to come in contact with him or family or at worst with some professional around his town and treat him with the dignity an ill human deserves to be treated. This feels like we're all discussing about him in the town square and when he comes by we'll just give him the stare while he walks around. How's that helpful?
Cruel? It's sick. Mo matter how much "socially acceptable" it is, it doesn't make it less wrong.
[+] [-] lwhi|14 years ago|reply
However, the way a person actually relates to their own experiences while classed as mentally ill is a personal thing. Lack of understanding is probably the biggest barrier - and well meaning sympathy isn't always going to have a positive effect on someone's well-being. It might actual just compound the problem.
I think there's an element of the freak-show here, because the guy who's the subject of the article is being used as 'exhibit a' in a discussion of what can manifest from mental illness. On the flip side - mental illness does seem to be an area of life that's rarely discussed openly.
Rather than stand by and look at the wreckage - it's probably more constructive to think about what can be done to help tackle mental health issues more generally. http://www.mind.org.uk/ is a UK-based charity who are doing good things in this area.
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[+] [-] shin_lao|14 years ago|reply
I've read a fair share of psychiatric books and they all have this "rule".
The OP should at the very least edit out the name of the person and remove references to his work.
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[+] [-] wladimir|14 years ago|reply
I've also wondered about this. It's OK to use the silencing for real spammers, but for people that are considered annoying/offtopic for other reasons I think it's better to confront them directly. At least let them know that they were banned and why. It'd be the human thing to do.
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[+] [-] dkarl|14 years ago|reply
If you're interested, many mentally ill people are very eager to communicate, and I'm sure you can find them on the web.
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[+] [-] Tsagadai|14 years ago|reply
Occasionally, people fall apart. I don't think they should be ostracized when they need help and friends the most. We should be more tolerant of ideas and people you may not like but who are still deserving of respect and recognition.
[+] [-] eropple|14 years ago|reply
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3617148
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3567016
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3430362
I feel bad for the guy, but that doesn't mean his behavior is acceptable.
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[+] [-] ismarc|14 years ago|reply
These new medications did wonders, but in addition to being slow, I was a foreign person to myself. And I kinda didn't like some aspects of that guy. So, with the help of the doctor, I went off my medication and developed new coping techniques. It's been 8 years, I've had some bad days and some good, I've got some odd habits, but unless someone watches me for a period of time, they wouldn't even notice.
All this to say, mental illness is a real illness, it's almost always manageable, but without the cooperation of the ill, there is no fixing it. And at the same time, the well person may be completely foreign, making the experience even more traumatic. Someone in the thread asked if folks would hire someone who said they were ill in an interview, but were being treated. I see the question as would you hire someone with only one leg. If they can do the job and fit well with the team, of course I would.
[+] [-] bdr|14 years ago|reply
"Need Start-Up Advice" A year and a half ago. Sad. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1782800
"Darwin Skeptics Believe Neaderthal Cannibals have High IQ" A revealing attempt at humor. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1366594
"New 64-bit Operating System released" From three years ago. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=491503
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[+] [-] drewcrawford|14 years ago|reply
I've been thinking about the trajectory of knowledge lately and I've noticed that some of the really great mathematics work (e.g. Grigori Perelman) seems to come from outsiders, those who reject the establishment on some level.
Given the incredible depth and breadth of David's work work, I'm starting to believe that we are more likely to find a true solution to P =? NP in the notebook of someone like this than in a scholarly journal. There are not many of us, even here on HN, that have the willpower to pull off something like LoseThos.
[+] [-] apl|14 years ago|reply
In fact, I'd suggest the opposite of your proposal. Breakthroughs do require obsession, yes, and a certain awkwardness comes with the territory. True mental illness and grossly maladjusted behavior, however, generally stand in the way of attaining them (except, of course, for a handful and thus famous cases). Don't look further than Perelman's struggles.
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[+] [-] jacquesm|14 years ago|reply
Some cross the line and come back, some cross to never return. I have a friend who has been busy now for 2 decades+ working on a CAD system in 68000 assembly, which he believes is the next big thing. He's bulding it on an ancient Atari ST.
The world has long moved on in just about every sense of the word and yet he's solidly stuck in a past that is no longer alive except to him. Everybody around him has had plenty of talks to explain what's going on and he steadfastly refuses any and all input on the subject.
The interesting part is that even though he's unemployed he is working on his passion every day for the largest part of the day, he's building something that is absolutely incredible and he's having tons of fun doing it.
Makes you wonder if he's all that crazy.
'Losethos' is doing something similar, he is building something for which there apparently is no need. But that may be just our perception. Maybe the creative act is his way of showing the world what he can do.
[+] [-] ars|14 years ago|reply
I hope he has people around him who are helping him, but I suspect he doesn't.
His whois lists him as living in Las Vegas. Does anyone live there who can at least check that he has someone taking care of him?
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[+] [-] bru|14 years ago|reply
You can find more information about him and his location on the OS's website[2]:
> Terry A. Davis
> 8144 Sickle Lane
> Las Vegas, NV 89128
> (702)254-4223
1: https://twitter.com/#!/losethos
2: http://www.losethos.com/LTHtml/Doc/TrivialSolutions.html
[+] [-] The_Sponge|14 years ago|reply
Unfortunately, it takes a somewhat mocking tone of the creator's mental illness, but it provides lots of screenshots.
e: LoseThos' creator posted in the thread, view filtered posts with this link: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=342...
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[+] [-] orph|14 years ago|reply
His joy of experience in knowledge and production and problem solving is what hooked me on computers in the first place.
If you think he's crazy, you should go see Stallman talk.
[+] [-] entropyneur|14 years ago|reply
There is a very fine line between eccentric and schizophrenic.
So the big deal here imo is that this man was able to do such an amazing work despite his condition.
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[+] [-] VMG|14 years ago|reply
I can't find the site anymore, but I remember a similar case of a guy that has a website with a lot of material dedicated to some kind of LabVIEW-Style graphical programming that will revolutionize the software industry. The other half of his website are Bible prophecies.
[+] [-] kristopolous|14 years ago|reply
There are certainly healthy, productive, happy members of society that have deep religious convictions. So be it.
But when people think they have an active full discourse with God and God is literally conversing with them and is furthermore telling them to do things that actually yield no results (Do X and Y will happen, and then Y never does), things get difficult.
Balancing the liberty of a person with what needs to be done to effectively empower them is a difficult task.
[+] [-] DanBC|14 years ago|reply
How would you feel if Fred disclosed after interview, at the point where you offer him the job?
How would you feel if Fred disclosed after he started the job?
[1] Fred is a totally hypothetical person with, for example, a diagnosis of schizophrenia.
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[+] [-] DevX101|14 years ago|reply
Arguably the world's greatest single intellectual body of work, the Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, was written by a guy locked up in his room alone.
If his work required significant ongoing interaction with the rest of the team though, I might be more hesitant to hire.
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[+] [-] tweak2live|14 years ago|reply
I have spent quite some time reading miscellaneous forum threads by him and have found nothing that shocks me as profoundly "mentally ill". Sure, the guy sees some strange patterns in the noise, but don't we all? Most of us just have enough sense not to share them publicly, or enough existential fear to censor our own thinking.
If we take the lack of cognitive self-censorhip to be a criterion for establishing "insanity", then are we not guilty of the same intellectual laziness we point out when we discuss "thinking inside box"?
That is, if someone professes to one "insane" (== not generally accepted as "true", to the point of ridicule) idea, does that invalidate the rest of ideas they originated? What about two? How many "insane" ideas must one express to have the rest of one's ideas invalidated? Or must the ideas be considered independently of the source?
I found what could be losethos's pastebin: http://pastebin.com/68Rif0mv A few things there made me think.
"Or, perhaps, we are all missing something and he is just always speaking in code." (OP)
^I think you might be onto something there. Regardless of whether what's encoded "makes sense", the use of doublespeak is evident.
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[+] [-] gravitronic|14 years ago|reply
They're self-medicating with marijuana and alcohol and displaying increasingly erratic behaviour. At the same time I know their potential for genius but see their potential hampered by their problems.
Our wider social network has noticed it and are electing me to talk with my friend but I really don't know what I can say that'll help VS push them away.
[+] [-] swatkat|14 years ago|reply