I saw an article about this last week. It identified the cause as a new rule last year switching the fuel for cargo ships and tankers that reduced the allowed sulfur content by about 80%. This is very good to slow ocean acidification, save algae and coral. But the sulfur in the air reflects or scatters sunlight away from the earth and the surface of the sea. Go figure.
This site tends to default to a “remain placid” attitude and flag/downvote energetic replies, but if this isn’t worth abject panic and appropriate action then I’m not sure what is.
The issue with this site is its total belief in tech as a solution. You will have plenty of people here saying "there's no need to change your lifestyle, some tech billionaire will solve it".
I also think the wealth of most people here means they think they will be insulated from the problems caused by climate change.
And what energetic appropriate response would you do for a phenomen that is as rare and poorly understood as this?
Please notice that the link between this sudden 4sigma increase in surface temperatures and a small long-term continuous increase in atmospheric infrared absorbing gasses is at best extremely strained.
panic fatigue? it has been at least ten years, more for many here.. that "urgent" is an appropriate word. The "control and stall" groups just get more money and more time, not less it seems here in the USA.
All of the "serious" people who are "panicking" while refusing to actually amend their life or act in a reasonable fashion is a large part of why people have disengaged.
This global 5km Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomaly product, displays the difference between today's SST and the long-term average. The scale goes from -5 to +5 °C. Positive numbers mean the temperature is warmer than average; negative means cooler than average.
What does it mean / what will happen as a result? The twitter thread says more precipitation -- anything more specific than that? Big storms? No storms?
It's going to translate to an increased rate of extreme weather events. Droughts in particular are of a concern as they're already resulting in massive crop losses. Here are a couple of recent examples in North America
Market-based solutions for the climate crisis have failed and are too slow to address the issue, all current oil reserves should be immediately valued at zero dollars. Many governments have been completely captured and are not working towards humanity’s long term survival.
State of emergency should be declared with full mobilization (ie total war economy) towards addressing the climate crisis, that’s the only way out while there’s still time.
To pay for it, the usual tools nation-states have employed at times of war: devaluing currency, high income taxes (90% bracket) and disappropriation of non-productive wealth, etc. Other similar crises have happened and solved in this way.
It is possible to do with democratic feedback so no one stays behind and we come out of it with a more just society.
The truth is that until you, dear reader, are willing to give up your usage of your car and probably your AC, you are part of the problem.
And nobody is ready to hear that. But it's the truth. All this talk about "well so and so is a bigger problem" is generally not only wrong, but it's just useless finger pointing.
I no longer have a car, and I don't have AC. And I live my life accordingly. And sometimes it sucks. You should too.
I used to feel this way (I bike commute and only turn on our AC maybe 3-4 times a year), but I've come to believe that this idea of personal responsibility is a major fossil fuel industry talking point.
The fact is, governments around the world provide massive subsidy to all sorts of industry's that tends to support GHG production. We're never going to get this under control until we demand our representatives change the policy and incentive structures for a large majority of industry out there. It's not just cooling and cars/trucks. It's agriculture, heating, almost all of transportation/shipping, a majority of power consumption, etc.
But the entrenched powers at be want you to think that this is a personal responsibility issue, because lots of people stand to lose lots of money once we realize that the only thing that can fix this issue is a massive restructuring of worldwide government policy and incentives.
This sort of degrowth stuff doesn't work. In the tropics, day time temperatures will be above what humans can _survive_ in, and air conditioning is the only way to keep billions of people alive in places like India.
We already have the technical solutions to have enough energy for everybody to have an AC while emitting minimal carbon (and perhaps generating enough electricity to actively take out carbon) - solar, wind, geothermal and nuclear.
The actual fixes western countries need to do is to actually make it easier to _build_ new things instead of trying to become poorer. Interconnect transmission lines (so we can carry power long distances), permitting for nuclear and geothermal (for various reasons requiring a much higher burden of proof and safety regulations than fossil fuel extraction and burning that kills way more people), _BUILDING MORE FUCKING HOUSING_ so people don't need to drive farther and farther, and they can walk and bike to get groceries and meet friends. These are all things that require policy decisions from people who are trapped in a bad incentive structure of both NIMBY local voters, and an attention oriented media that rewards both polarization and extreme cover-your-ass behavior that makes building expensive. Trying to put (and take) personal responsibility and giving up random things that don't move the needle isn't the way to do it.
We can’t conserve our way out of this. We have to electrify everything we can, and completely decarbonize our electric grid. To do that, we need to make clean electricity cheaper than fossil electricity, and just as reliable. Spending our focus on trying to convince people to stop consuming energy is a bit counterproductive. Your carbon footprint is almost certainly massive even if you personally use zero electricity, because the supply chain that keeps you alive is extremely carbon intensive. If you run your numbers, I think you’ll find that cars and AC are relatively minor contributors. Heating is much larger for most than either of those, as an example.
its all our individual responsibility to combat climate change, no systemic change necessary at all. It seems to me the actual issue is depoliticization, you have no hope to ever affect the rules based international order in any way, so the only thing left to you as a neoliberal is to advocate for meaningless individual change.
This isn't going to be solved by individuals voluntarily putting the climate above their own comfort. It's going to take strong bold policy. It's good to make good decisions and it's not great that some people don't care, but if your strategy to save society and the biosphere is based on individual choices the. We've already lost.
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[+] [-] itsreallyhot|2 years ago|reply
I also think the wealth of most people here means they think they will be insulated from the problems caused by climate change.
Just my 2p.
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[+] [-] zosima|2 years ago|reply
Please notice that the link between this sudden 4sigma increase in surface temperatures and a small long-term continuous increase in atmospheric infrared absorbing gasses is at best extremely strained.
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This global 5km Sea Surface Temperature (SST) Anomaly product, displays the difference between today's SST and the long-term average. The scale goes from -5 to +5 °C. Positive numbers mean the temperature is warmer than average; negative means cooler than average.
https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/Products/ocean/sst/anomaly/index.h...
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* https://www.ualrpublicradio.org/local-regional-news/2022-12-...
* https://globalnews.ca/news/9761043/dry-spring-southern-alber...
This kind of thing can easily lead to famines if a significant portion of the crops ends up being lost during the year.
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[+] [-] antiquark|2 years ago|reply
"50 million tons of water vapor from Tonga's eruption could warm Earth for years. (2022)"
https://www.space.com/tonga-eruption-water-vapor-warm-earth
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[+] [-] magicfractal|2 years ago|reply
Market-based solutions for the climate crisis have failed and are too slow to address the issue, all current oil reserves should be immediately valued at zero dollars. Many governments have been completely captured and are not working towards humanity’s long term survival.
State of emergency should be declared with full mobilization (ie total war economy) towards addressing the climate crisis, that’s the only way out while there’s still time.
To pay for it, the usual tools nation-states have employed at times of war: devaluing currency, high income taxes (90% bracket) and disappropriation of non-productive wealth, etc. Other similar crises have happened and solved in this way.
It is possible to do with democratic feedback so no one stays behind and we come out of it with a more just society.
[+] [-] lwansbrough|2 years ago|reply
And nobody is ready to hear that. But it's the truth. All this talk about "well so and so is a bigger problem" is generally not only wrong, but it's just useless finger pointing.
I no longer have a car, and I don't have AC. And I live my life accordingly. And sometimes it sucks. You should too.
[+] [-] sauwan|2 years ago|reply
The fact is, governments around the world provide massive subsidy to all sorts of industry's that tends to support GHG production. We're never going to get this under control until we demand our representatives change the policy and incentive structures for a large majority of industry out there. It's not just cooling and cars/trucks. It's agriculture, heating, almost all of transportation/shipping, a majority of power consumption, etc.
But the entrenched powers at be want you to think that this is a personal responsibility issue, because lots of people stand to lose lots of money once we realize that the only thing that can fix this issue is a massive restructuring of worldwide government policy and incentives.
[+] [-] nsm|2 years ago|reply
This sort of degrowth stuff doesn't work. In the tropics, day time temperatures will be above what humans can _survive_ in, and air conditioning is the only way to keep billions of people alive in places like India.
We already have the technical solutions to have enough energy for everybody to have an AC while emitting minimal carbon (and perhaps generating enough electricity to actively take out carbon) - solar, wind, geothermal and nuclear.
The actual fixes western countries need to do is to actually make it easier to _build_ new things instead of trying to become poorer. Interconnect transmission lines (so we can carry power long distances), permitting for nuclear and geothermal (for various reasons requiring a much higher burden of proof and safety regulations than fossil fuel extraction and burning that kills way more people), _BUILDING MORE FUCKING HOUSING_ so people don't need to drive farther and farther, and they can walk and bike to get groceries and meet friends. These are all things that require policy decisions from people who are trapped in a bad incentive structure of both NIMBY local voters, and an attention oriented media that rewards both polarization and extreme cover-your-ass behavior that makes building expensive. Trying to put (and take) personal responsibility and giving up random things that don't move the needle isn't the way to do it.
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[+] [-] mistrial9|2 years ago|reply
solid systems analysis work has been done, and changes are in play. "blame the consumer" is so, so not a starter even if it is true
source- more than a year talking about this actual subject with marketing cohorts in graduate school
[+] [-] itsreallyhot|2 years ago|reply
Don't fly.
Cycle.
Look into smarter ways of heating/cooling your house.
Support groups like XR and Just Stop Oil.
[+] [-] davidktr|2 years ago|reply
To long term stabilize climate we need to be poor, compared with today. Tough sell in a democratic society.